Author Topic: PilotAware at Wellesbourne  (Read 54892 times)

Keithvinning

Re: PilotAware at Wellesbourne
« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2016, 07:24:13 pm »
Hi Paul

The PilotAware Champion at Wellesbourne is Jon who works Monday to Friday. Think he is waiting until he has written up instructions for the weekend crew before it is a 7 day a week operation.

Keith

RobertPBham

Re: PilotAware at Wellesbourne
« Reply #16 on: September 25, 2016, 11:02:43 pm »
Definitely like the idea of being able to filter out ground stations but my preference would be as follows:

1) All ground stations begin with a specific code or 'call sign' - this way easy visual filtering is possible (hard set in the software?)
2) Audio alerts disabled for ground stations
3) Different visual picture (SkyDemon user) for ground stations

It'd be great to see and pickup some ground stations on my travels!

Thanks
Rob

Richard W

Re: PilotAware at Wellesbourne
« Reply #17 on: September 26, 2016, 12:07:53 pm »
I set mine to 'BASE' followed by postcode. 'GROUND-NN4' looked too much like a G- registration at a quick glance.

grahambaker

Re: PilotAware at Wellesbourne
« Reply #18 on: September 26, 2016, 01:25:20 pm »
Unless you are running a fly-in at a difficult-to-spot strip that isn't in the normal nav. software databases, I cannot think of one good reason for have a base station transmitting at an airfield. It's just clutter.

I don't want the other potentially useful symbology on my SkyDemon chart obscured by a completely unnecessary blob, particularly if I'm going to get warnings from it, audio or otherwise.

[/grumpy rant over  :)]

gvpsj

Re: PilotAware at Wellesbourne
« Reply #19 on: September 26, 2016, 04:44:30 pm »
Not just airfields - anywhere not actually a flight safety factor is clutter. I did not think PAW was a toy Grump Grump Grump - can the CAA give me my medical back soon and Grumps will subside  :'(
John

RobertPBham

Re: PilotAware at Wellesbourne
« Reply #20 on: September 26, 2016, 05:41:18 pm »
I understand your concerns but personally have a specific reason for wanting them - testing the PAW installation and setup. If we have known base stations at locations and airfields and we are on the ground or flying overhead - to and from etc - I can see the detection and if I being obscured from the front, side etc due to placement.

I know it won't be perfect but at the moment I don't see any way of testing the setup and other than assuming it is working. With known locations you would be raising an eyebrow should they not appear in SkyDemon, PAW etc.

gvpsj

Re: PilotAware at Wellesbourne
« Reply #21 on: September 26, 2016, 05:52:14 pm »
How much testing is needed? After testing a fixed station is no longer required?

grahambaker

Re: PilotAware at Wellesbourne
« Reply #22 on: September 26, 2016, 07:34:40 pm »
I understand your concerns but personally have a specific reason for wanting them - testing the PAW installation and setup. If we have known base stations at locations and airfields and we are on the ground or flying overhead - to and from etc - I can see the detection and if I being obscured from the front, side etc due to placement.

I know it won't be perfect but at the moment I don't see any way of testing the setup and other than assuming it is working. With known locations you would be raising an eyebrow should they not appear in SkyDemon, PAW etc.
I can see how testing could be useful, but until we have a way of selectively ignoring base stations, I think inconveniencing the many for the sake of the few is the wrong way to go. I tested mine in a mutual test session with another PAW user at my field. We did 10 minutes on the ground, then went airborne. That's a lot different to having it bleating for 10 hours a day on the basis that someone might want to do some testing sometime.

I don't want to appear overly aggressive about this, but equally the idea that we start deploying PAWs to help us navigate is also just nonsense (you haven't said it, but one or two others have). It's an avoidance device, not a homing device. By definition we all have much better means of navigation right there on our traffic displays!

Ian Melville

Re: PilotAware at Wellesbourne
« Reply #23 on: September 26, 2016, 08:36:40 pm »
Just a vote of support for the comments by Graham and John(gvpsj)

RobertPBham

Re: PilotAware at Wellesbourne
« Reply #24 on: September 26, 2016, 09:49:34 pm »
Completely agree with being able to 'block' base stations - I think that may have been mentioned in another thread so I  was taking that as a given rather than specifying it - so I do agree!

In regards to testing - As its such a new product and every plane is different - I get to fly four different planes at the club. I have no practical way of making sure my PAW is in the correct place or it is still working over time - I've seen quite a few threads with issues with the ADSB aerial - now I know this won't have any affect on the base stations as they would be PAW signals but it all helps. I also think it then stops being a product for people who want to tinker and guess it's working(I've seen quite a few threads with people thinking that).

If it's configurable and easy to see its doing its job, the more people will adopt the technology! IMO.

efrenken

Re: PilotAware at Wellesbourne
« Reply #25 on: September 26, 2016, 10:15:29 pm »
Just a vote of support for the comments by Graham and John(gvpsj)

+1