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drvale

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Confusion Confusion!
« Reply #120 on: May 11, 2016, 08:36:23 pm »
We have all received I guess the latest email about the new hardware release. It seems though that all are sold out instantly.
On top of this there is confusion on what exactly is required.
Last December I purchased all the elements required to build a PAW without the ARF as it was advised it was not satisfactory to do this and just go for ADS-B. This assembled all worked fine and advice was to wait until the new ARF Bridge Unit is available. Well apparently it is available (but not in stock on the hardware site) and all we have to do is request an email when it is in stock. I have done this a few times over the last month or so and don't get emailed and on the day it is announced available it is NOT. This is madness, please someone state clearly what the situation is.
To make matters even more confusing my system was built on a PiB+ as per advice on hardware. Now it seems that I need a Pi2B, which I do actually have which would then provide all the functions. I don't have an ARF to return as advise was not to purchase.
And then to confuse me even more there is dialogue about a License number, I do have one but am not sure what relevance it is if I eventually get a Bridge and then connect up all my existing bits to the new Pi2B.
Somebody for heavens sake who is not so wrapped up in tech speak spell this all out simply. I cannot believe I am the only one who is becoming more and more confused.
David Vale, G-OCAD

Admin

Re: When willl the PAW be ready?
« Reply #121 on: May 11, 2016, 10:17:24 pm »
Please bear with us, we are working very hard to streamline the process.
With the launch today it has all been a bit hectic, but we are trying to smooth the paths and remove any confusion, more guidance will be forthcoming.

Thx
Lee

vfischer

Re: When willl the PAW be ready?
« Reply #122 on: May 11, 2016, 11:22:05 pm »
It would also be useful to indicate a current source for the PI2B. I've checked the RS-Components web site where I got my PI B+ and they show out of stock with an expected delivery of August 26, 2016 !!

Admin

Re: When willl the PAW be ready?
« Reply #123 on: May 11, 2016, 11:23:52 pm »
Hi
The full kit from pilotawarehardware.com includes a Pi2B

Also remember, PilotAware continues to run on your PiB+ as it did before

Thx
Lee
« Last Edit: May 11, 2016, 11:28:22 pm by Admin »

Smaragd

Re: When willl the PAW be ready?
« Reply #124 on: May 12, 2016, 08:27:24 am »
Pi2B in stock at Amazon.

Aerial

Re: When willl the PAW be ready?
« Reply #125 on: May 12, 2016, 09:36:20 am »
As this thread seems to have departed from the question first asked I think this might be an appropriate time to ask something about the discount for folk like me who had early licences and are computer biffs. In the information to be supplied when applying for the discount, Beta license MAC address is requested. Is that my licence number(s) which begin B827..... or something else? If something else, how do I find it (them)?
Oh, GOOD JOB Lee and the Team!

the_doc

Re: When willl the PAW be ready?
« Reply #126 on: May 12, 2016, 10:17:27 am »
I can't recall - is the MAC address required the MAC address of the WIFI dongle or the LAN on the Pi itself?

Admin

Re: When willl the PAW be ready?
« Reply #127 on: May 12, 2016, 10:18:47 am »
As this thread seems to have departed from the question first asked I think this might be an appropriate time to ask something about the discount for folk like me who had early licences and are computer biffs. In the information to be supplied when applying for the discount, Beta license MAC address is requested. Is that my licence number(s) which begin B827..... or something else? If something else, how do I find it (them)?
Oh, GOOD JOB Lee and the Team!

Hi
Hopefully this explains how to get the Production S/W and your 1 Year Key (for Beta Trialists)
http://forum.pilotaware.com/index.php/topic,156.0.html

If there is anything missing, please let me know and I will update the instructions
Thx
Lee

Keithvinning

Re: Confusion Confusion!
« Reply #128 on: May 12, 2016, 02:24:54 pm »
We have all received I guess the latest email about the new hardware release. It seems though that all are sold out instantly.
On top of this there is confusion on what exactly is required.
Last December I purchased all the elements required to build a PAW without the ARF as it was advised it was not satisfactory to do this and just go for ADS-B. This assembled all worked fine and advice was to wait until the new ARF Bridge Unit is available. Well apparently it is available (but not in stock on the hardware site) and all we have to do is request an email when it is in stock. I have done this a few times over the last month or so and don't get emailed and on the day it is announced available it is NOT. This is madness, please someone state clearly what the situation is.
To make matters even more confusing my system was built on a PiB+ as per advice on hardware. Now it seems that I need a Pi2B, which I do actually have which would then provide all the functions. I don't have an ARF to return as advise was not to purchase.
And then to confuse me even more there is dialogue about a License number, I do have one but am not sure what relevance it is if I eventually get a Bridge and then connect up all my existing bits to the new Pi2B.
Somebody for heavens sake who is not so wrapped up in tech speak spell this all out simply. I cannot believe I am the only one who is becoming more and more confused.

Let me firstly apologise to you and those who are genuinely confused and secondly provide this explanation of the journey that we have all been undertaking over the past year to provide the answers to the confusion. It is a very dry bullet point summary but I hope it does help. If you know most of it apologies again but some don’t so they can pick up the thread.

•   In the Summer of 2013 Lee Moore starts the development of what is now called PilotAware
•   In 2015 PilotAware was offered to a wider audience than the small group of testers who had been working on PilotAware for the previous 12 months.
•   This was, as is normal in software and hardware development, called the beta trial.
•   In this trial, participants were given an insight into the open nature of the project and invited, if they were so inclined to build a unit for themselves by collecting a variety of disparate parts together and building them at home. Caveat emptor, order of the day.
•   The software was updated regularly, often daily, involving a tedious reformat of the disk each and every time. Twenty minutes of your life you would not get back.
•   The PilotAware Forum was then formed where ideas, mainly technical were discussed.
•   In September 2015 a Barometer chip was added for accuracy and manual QNH input on each trip was now redundant.
•   In early October 2015, thanks to the help of Ian Fallon, a list of ‘known good hardware’ was published to reconfirm what the specification of the bits were and where to get them. PilotAware was developed solely for the Raspberry Pi B+.
•   In October the availability of the ARF, always spasmodic, became very spasmodic. PilotAware met with the manufacturers of the ARF and we were not convinced of either their, or its long term suitability for the project.
•   In October the core testing team undertook extensive air to air and air to ground testing using the ARF. Whilst giving a better range than some other conspicuity systems it was not spectacular nor repeatable across the various home built systems, and various aircraft types.
•   It was therefore decided that the ARF was not future proof and on 15th October 2015 we instructed that this should not be used further and that new PilotAware units should be built as ADSB receivers only until and alternative was found. This is known as the PilotAware State of the Nation Address. http://forum.pilotaware.com/index.php/topic,150.msg2174.html#msg2174
•   In this latest news item, it was also recommended that all users fit a GPS and that we were also looking for an ARF replacement and also investigating opening up a web shop to make it easier for people who didn’t want to make their own units on the kitchen table.
•   In November 2015 Both android and iOS tablets were supported.
•   PilotAware Ltd also decided to invest in the development of a bespoke replacement for the ARF and produces a specification including the requirement for it to meet the European Telecommunications Standards Institute (ETSI) standard for this type of equipment.
•   PilotAware Ltd engaged with Aviation Technology and Hardware (ATH) to develop and produce the certified radio module, design a plug in board, integrating the barometer voltage converters and other peripheral electronics as a stand alone Bridge.
•   AHT agrees to provide a fulfilment service for complete PilotAware units, Bridges and peripherals using the URL pilotawarehardware.com.
•   At the Flyer show we confirm that ATH will make ready built units available at the introductory price of £139.99. plus vat to include the first year licence at £15 plus vat with a license of £12 plus vat per year thereafter.
•   In addition, it announced that whilst the failure of the ARF was not a PilotAware Ltd issue it would in good faith provide a discount against the new radio units, for beta trialists who bought, installed, used and registered ARF’s before the State of the Nation Address on October 15 2015.
•   From December 2015 The Bridge was developed, bench tested, parametrically tested, range tested, flight tested several times over a 3 month period. Then submitted for approval testing. It failed. Further development and testing was undertaken and it passed.
•   It was recommended that all units be fitted with a Glonass GPS and the Collision Aware app that gained access to the GPS on a tablet was withdrawn.
•   Funding was sought to complete the development, set up the manufacturing and testing process and to buy up front, raw materials, finished goods and consumables.
•   Over the Winter 2015-16 Lee Moore continues to develop PilotAware functionality. Two developments stood out as highly desirable, voice alerts and Mode S detection, both fairly difficult and not in the original roadmap.
•   April 2015 PilotAware Ltd agrees to further reward beta trialists by offering to extend their existing licenses for a full year to 1st May 2017 free of charge. This complimentary license continues to give the original functionality available on the Raspberry PiB+ in preparation for the availability of the PilotAware Bridge after volume manufacture and further parametric and range testing.
•   PilotAware decides to bring forward the newly developed functions and offer them in the fully built units to be available in May as PilotAware Classic.
•   This new functionality requires additional computing power and requires an upgrade in processor to the Raspberry Pi 2B. This processor is therefore included in the new complete unit called the PilotAware Classic. The new functionality, glonass GPS, improved antenna and more expensive processor increased the introductory price to 159.99 plus vat.
•   Existing customers operating on the complimentary 1 year licence now have the choice of keeping it as an ADSB only unit, buying a Bridge (no additional licence required) and using this on their Raspberry PiB+ processor. This will give them the original functionality plus automatic software upgrades. The cost of the Bridge without license is £69.99 ex vat
•   If existing customers want to gain access to the new functionality, Voice Alerts and Mode S detection they they need to upgrade to a Raspberry Pi 2B and buy the Bridge plus the upgraded Licence and an antenna.  The cost of the Bridge and a first year licence is £84.99 ex vat. They also have the option to buy a PilotAware Classic ready to go.
•   For beta trialists who qualify for the ARF discount the above 2 options are open to them but in addition they can apply for a promotion code which will give a £33.33 discount off the pre vat price of the Bridge. This discount can also be redeemed off the price of a complete PilotAware Classic Unit giving a third option. Details of how to apply are found at  http://forum.pilotaware.com/index.php/topic,372.msg5052.html#msg5052
•   The latest software will detect which version of Pi on which it is installed and enable the functionality accordingly. Why is this the case? Please see the explanation here .
•   ATH (pilotawarehardware.com) released the hardware as soon as possible with 50 complete PilotAware Classics and 50 shields released for sale on 11th May 2016 after sending out emails through an automatic server to those who requested them.
•   A further 400 Bridges will be available very soon for purchase as either complete PilotAware Classic units or Bridges.
•   A forward ordering facility has been added to the website for PilotAware Classic units.
•   Further sales items will be added for the standalone Bridges and peripherals.

Sorry that this has been a long list but hopefully it answers your questions.

Keith


AlanB

Re: When willl the PAW be ready?
« Reply #129 on: May 12, 2016, 10:47:56 pm »
Thank you Keith I think I see what you are saying.

In summary if you were a beta licence holder you can upgrade you licence to allow the new software on a Pi B+ and this will function with, or without, the new bridge until May 17.

The two new features of Audio and Mode S detection will not function on the Pi B+ and the extended beta licence will not be transferable to a Pi 2B should I already have the hardware.

When will the old licences based on the Wifi be added to the database please as I submitted an email to your support email last night and have just tried again to obtain an upgraded beta licence but I get an error message that the licence codes I entered are not associated with the email address I entered.

Regards

Alan Burrill
Europa XS Mode-S ADS-B out enabled.

Admin

Re: When willl the PAW be ready?
« Reply #130 on: May 13, 2016, 11:26:04 am »
When will the old licences based on the Wifi be added to the database please as I submitted an email to your support email last night and have just tried again to obtain an upgraded beta licence but I get an error message that the licence codes I entered are not associated with the email address I entered.

Hi Alan
Apologies on this I have not seen an email,
could you please re-send and good idea to send me a PM as well and I will sort this out
Thx
Lee

AlanB

Re: When willl the PAW be ready?
« Reply #131 on: May 13, 2016, 12:22:19 pm »
Thanks Lee. Email sent.

Alan
Europa XS Mode-S ADS-B out enabled.

flying_john

Re: When willl the PAW be ready?
« Reply #132 on: May 23, 2016, 07:27:26 pm »
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The two new features of Audio and Mode S detection will not function on the Pi B+ and the extended beta licence will not be transferable to a Pi 2B should I already have the hardware.

Sounds a bit of a raw deal for those of us buying new Pi2 hardware, that supported and made suggestions for enhancements, to now be denied their use, just because we have bought a new Pi.  Perhaps we are of no more use as testers esp of the of the Mode S (no e.s) and audio warning enhancements.

carlp101

Re: When willl the PAW be ready?
« Reply #133 on: June 23, 2016, 02:44:22 pm »
Hi Folks.

Just thought I'd show you a screen shot taken from my Dynon SkyView with the PiB+ and ADSB only reception working like a charm. I had to set the comm port on the Pi and Dynon to 57600 otherwise the FLARM message processing kept failing. Once I made the change it was stable.

I've just ordered my Pi2B, so I'll hope to see Mode-S traffic too soon.

Keep up the brilliant work guys.

Regards
Carl
G-URMS


Moffrestorer

Re: When willl the PAW be ready?
« Reply #134 on: June 23, 2016, 04:16:34 pm »
Are the "diamonds" conflicting aircraft? Looks to be busy airspace.