Author Topic: Internal antenna orientation  (Read 28858 times)

Bill2345

Internal antenna orientation
« on: March 08, 2025, 11:34:35 am »
Hi

I can see lots of posts about Internal antenna orientation but for some reason I don't seem to see the photos people post so can't always get an idea of what they have done.

Fly PA28 club aircraft so internal antenna only I'm afraid.  Have the dipole internal antenna kit and plan to put on the windscreen (one on the left, one on the right).  However, while they will be vertical when looking from the pilots seat, because of the angle of the windscreen they will be leaning backwards.  So is that ok?  Or should I put on the left and right side windows so the antenna are vertical both side to side and forward and back?

Thanks for any thoughts!

exfirepro

Re: Internal antenna orientation
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2025, 11:12:11 pm »
Hi Bill,

The general rule for EC antennas is to keep them as near vertical as possible. If antennas on two aircraft are at 90 degrees to each other - i.e. one set vertical and the other horizontal - there would be a 3dB loss in signal between the two (in plain terms transmission and reception would both be halved). we have to accept of course that aircraft do not always fly straight and level, so even in the best case there will be some loss of signal as aircraft bank or climb.

Obviously, externally fitted antennas generally provide the most reliable performance - especially mounted below the aircraft and clear of obstructions like fixed undercarriage to maximise interaction with our network of ATOM ground stations.

Best advice I can give you is to try to maximise outlook from the aircraft - especially towards the front - avoid obscuration by adjacent metalwork or bags of fluid (us!) and accept that in some situations we just have to put up with less than optimal positioning. i suggest doing a trial fit and fly, then look at the Vector plot for your aircraft (available on https://pilotaware.com/knowledge-base) and repeat the trial until you find the optimal position.


Best Regards

Peter

p.s. If you haven't already done so, take a look at the Fixed Installations Forum. Nothing there yet on PA28s, but there is a lot of good info on other types which demonstrates the essential principles.

TimT

Re: Internal antenna orientation
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2025, 05:54:09 pm »
Please confirm, the remote internal (di-pole) antenna sold by PilotAware has to be mounted *vertically*? I.e., the two arms of the di-pole oriented up and down, not left and right?

steveu

Re: Internal antenna orientation
« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2025, 08:30:14 pm »
Please confirm, the remote internal (di-pole) antenna sold by PilotAware has to be mounted *vertically*? I.e., the two arms of the di-pole oriented up and down, not left and right?

Destructions are here for the antenna mounting:

https://global-uploads.webflow.com/5d56c24810fbfdbe08b488cd/5f8d962f2cdfb8d47c5fa485_2020%20Installation%20Instructions%20Internal%20Kit%20.pdf

TimT

Re: Internal antenna orientation
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2025, 10:35:14 pm »
It is a bit ambiguous. So for the avoidance of doubt:

- while all pictures on the website and in the instructions you linked to, show the horns of the di-pole pointing left and right (i.e., horizontal orientation)

- the intended, correct way is for the horns to point up and down. And therefore the cable to exit antenna assy to the side.

Correct?

steveu

Re: Internal antenna orientation
« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2025, 09:00:10 am »
Vertical, please see the extract. The picture you refer to just shows the equipment in the package.

exfirepro

Re: Internal antenna orientation
« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2025, 10:59:02 am »
So for the avoidance of doubt:

- while all pictures on the website and in the instructions you linked to, show the horns of the di-pole pointing left and right (i.e., horizontal orientation)

- the intended, correct way is for the horns to point up and down. And therefore the cable to exit antenna assy to the side.

Correct?

Hi Tim,

Correct!

If two polarised antennas are not in the same orientation, that will result in a loss of signal between them. The loss of signal can be up to 3dB (i.e.50%)with antennas at 90 degrees to each other e.g. one vertical and the other horizontal. The standard orientation for VHF comms and UHF nav and EC antennas used in aviation (and in practice most mobile communications) is Vertical, so we should ensure that our antennas meet this as closely as possible* and take the 'hit' when our aircraft are in a turn (in reality this is only a significant issue if doing aerobatics).

* In practice mounting the antennas completely vetical is not always possible and antennas are then usually fitted to match the slope of the window for example, accepting that there will be some degree of loss - though if 'as near to vertical as possible' this should be minimal.

Hope this clarifies the situation.

Best Regards
Peter