Position data not shared

[Hitch]

Hi Guys

Every aircraft at EGCA airstrip has conspicuity of some kind that is captured our Atom station PWEGCA and relayed to all. Sadly the pilot using SafeSky has become invisible in the last few weeks.

I have had Simon’s permission to forward his email trail to this group. Essentially after emails and telephone calls to SafeSky he is at a point whereby SafeSky don’t know why the information isn’t interfacing into the OGN and thus the Atom connected network. His aircraft has a tiny profile. Would be great to see him on PAW.

Many thanks

Bob

PS He is on a tight budget, as are many SkySafe users, so buying a PAW is a stretch for him.

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Hi Bob I last flew 20.7.24 @ 14.49 - 15.03 staying local to the atom station @ pwegca and the nearby cellular mast. Nobody on the ground viewing my aircraft via the atom station or those in the air could see my aircraft on their conspicuity device. As you know you used to see my aircraft when relaid through your atom station for the benefit of all . SafeSky have now spent hours trying to fix the problem. Do you know anybody at pilot aware that could help.
G-MZGA hex code 403D19, desperate to be seen, thanks.

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From: Simon Rawson <siborawson@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2024 at 09:18
Subject: Re: Position data not shared
To: Tristan Fily <tristan@safesky.app>


Hi Tristan

I flew again yesterday and had the same problem. A club member checked again as before and had no signal on PAW or OGN. I’m using the same device as previously that worked and gave a good signal, thanks Si.

On Tue, 9 Jul 2024 at 07:27, Tristan Fily <tristan@safesky.app> wrote:
Hello Simon,

   Thanks for your message.

   We just did a round check with the OGN team, everything should be working as normal.

   Note that only SafeSky AIRBORNE traffic is shared with OGN, if you are testing from the ground, your position will appear in SafeSky live, but not on OGN.

   Then the last link is OGN to PilotAware. They are normally reading from OGN to filter and publish SafeSky traffic. I am not currently able to validate this link.

   Please keep me posted :-)

   Fly Safe,

Tristan

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On 3 Jul 2024, at 20:49, Simon Rawson <siborawson@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi, a fellow pilot noticed that my positional data was not being given out to pilot aware station at our airfield, upon checking my device we noticed that my position was given out to SafeSky but nothing else. I have provided you with ogn data that doesn’t show my position and neither does our paw station at the airfield, thanks.
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[steveu]

I assume he is using SafeSky on a mobile phone, in which case his position and velocity data first of all goes over mobile broadband/mainstream Internet to the SafeSky servers.

From there, it would then get fed to the OGN, and at the same time to other Safesky users.

Now, in the early days I was told that PAW/ATOM didn't use OGN data for latency reasons.

Now, I'm led to believe that either SafeSky data direct or via the OGN is used, but with strict latency filters, so if the data is deemed to be too old to be accurate, it is rejected.

I am not a PAW insider, so the emphasis is on the word believe. Some people believe the earth is flat, that don't make it so, even if Pratchett made it work.

There was some big disruption to the OGN when the FLARM encryption was changed a little while back, depending on whom you ask, it's now fine or there is still disruption.

Tristan says "filter and publish" so he does know that the data is filtered. He also knows how often SafeSky pings when there is no other traffic around.

If the data isn't getting to the OGN but Tristan tells you it then that needs to be resolved with him. When you can verify that, then you can question the next step...

[Hitch]

Hi Steve

I guess with SafeSky it’s a case of you “get what you pay for”

At the airstrip at the moment.

Can view him on the OGN
Can view him on the SafeSky App
Cannot view him on the Atom station radar

I too I’m thinking it’s for SafeSky to resolve. But meantime it’s frustrating not being able to spot his tiny microlight.

We see all the others including Flarm and Fanet+

Regards

Hitch

[Hitch]

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