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Technical Support / Re: Help Funke transponder ttr800a connection

« on: January 11, 2022, 02:39:06 pm »

That's brilliant, thanks Lee! Will update this weekend.

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Technical Support / Re: Help Funke transponder ttr800a connection

« on: January 11, 2022, 10:26:04 am »

Hi Mike,

I will ask Lee to PM you re getting hold of the relevant Beta Software.

Regards

Peter

Hi Peter, we also have this issue of Pilotaware not broadcasting the correct ADS-B data via our transponder link. Referred to in the previous thread here on our Jodel external antennae installation: http://forum.pilotaware.com/index.php/topic,2063.0.html

I have previously tried to contact Lee regarding the beta software 'fix', but for some reason have not made contact....

If the Funke transponder 'fix' is not included in the new software release 20220101 is it possible to also ask Lee to DM me about upgrading our unit.

Thanks
Martin

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General Discussion / Re: External antennae on Jodels

« on: July 23, 2021, 03:44:28 pm »

I would also like you to check that your USB to RS232 cable is in fact in Port 2 (lower left when looking at the USB Port end of the PAW with the ethernet port on the left). We would also need to check the recommended Baud Rate for Funke (I know Trig now recommend a minimum of 9,600Baud).

Best Regards
Peter

Photo attached of Rosetta connections, shows Farnell in USB2, GPS in USB1. Baud rate is 4800 for the Funke, discussed with our avionics guy who thinks it would make no difference re-setting to 9600, although I think the Funke can be set to the higher rate.

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General Discussion / Re: External antennae on Jodels

« on: July 22, 2021, 09:25:11 am »

Peter, many thanks once again for all your input to this.

Ours is in fact the more recent Funke transponder model TRT800A OLED installed in 2015 by a professional avionics engineer with firmware update 5.3. It does not suffer from some of the problems which beset the earlier models /software, but it does not surprise me that it may not output the correct speed /direction vectors. Although, according to the information on extended squitter operation (ADS-B) published by Funke: "Airborne position and airborne velocity are sent out if reliable data is available"

At the time (February 2020) of our connection by the same avionics engineer of an uncertified GPS (Pilotaware Rosetta) to enable ADS-B out, SIL value on the Funke transponder was set “0” (as per recent LAA approval) and tests carried out satisfactorily confirming ADS-B out working. Although the FR24 trace may not verify as this could be our Mode S transmission I imagine, the ADSBexchange trace I assume is based on an ADS-B signal for our aircraft, albeit not with correct velocity shown (constant pointing north).

Pretty sure the Farnell USB cable is in USB2 slot but will check tomorrow at the aircraft. Also, baud set for 4800 which matches the Funke, again will check this.

We would be happy to trial the beta software and report back. I assume that modifies the GPS information sent by Rosetta to the transponder to 'force' the correct speed/velocity out data?

PS - we wish we'd bought a Trig !

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General Discussion / Re: External antennae on Jodels

« on: July 15, 2021, 04:27:12 pm »

Here is our settings configuration page:

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General Discussion / Re: External antennae on Jodels

« on: July 15, 2021, 03:54:47 pm »

Here is the ADS-B trace from vector:

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General Discussion / Re: External antennae on Jodels

« on: July 15, 2021, 03:52:23 pm »

Hi Mart,

As Lee says, there is certainly nothing on the database from 401E9B - neither from PilotAware OR ADSB, which suggests that you may have inadvertently activated the default profile when trying to ‘Save’  the new licence key. The ‘Profile’ select button is right next to the ‘Save’ button at the bottom of the ‘Configure’ screen, and if the profile with the default F384EB Hex has been inadvertently selected (which seems likely as the PAW is clearly transmitting on F348EB), that profile probably won’t contain the correct USB Port settings to supply the GPS data to the transponder for ADSB out - hence no ADSB reports on the PAW database from 401E9B either - which is definitely the case.

Easiest fix would be to reselect the ‘Correct’ Profile - with the correct USB Transponder Port Settings, (check the rest of the settings while you are in there and re-save if you change any), then go back later and delete any unwanted profiles - remembering to reselect the correct one before exiting.

FTAOD, SkyDemon would still get the GPS data, whatever the HexID was set to, so would still work as normal.

Best Regards

Peter

Hi again Peter, now attended to the Pilotaware configuration, selected the correct Hex ID profile and deleted the default, so settings are now as here:

From the vector, we are now getting Pilotaware broadcast correctly, but nothing for ADS-B out, although the settings show the Funke transponder in Port 2. Any reason why the ground network should not see our ADS-B - for example, do the stations local to EGHS (Henstridge) not have that capability? We actually flew (14/7/21) a circular route around Yeovilton, Henstridge-Seaton-Taunton-Wells_Henstridge.

Flight Radar 24 has this for the flight, not sure if that is our Mode S track....
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/g-bhvf#2866392e

ADS-B Exchange has this:
https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=401e9b&lat=51.069&lon=-2.057&zoom=9.0&showTrace=2021-07-14

Suggests we are broadcasting ADS-B but vector not seeing that, or am I not understanding the websites quoted....?

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Technical Support / Re: Have to manually connect to PAW every flight

« on: July 08, 2021, 03:37:50 pm »

Think this is the answer (add a password to the Pilotaware wifi connection). Our tablets (iPad and Samsung) connect to our Rosetta wifi automatically - once passworded, you don't need to enter again on 'known' networks.

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General Discussion / Re: External antennae on Jodels

« on: July 06, 2021, 01:59:55 pm »

@martc

I have a suspicion the hex code is set to the default for your unit F384E8
I saw this flying 30/June
if so - this has stunning PilotAware coverage

Thx
Lee

Lee, PAW range approaching 80km on 23 June was at 4000ft. Shorter range produced on 30 June at 1200ft or so, but still a respectable 40km..... vector shows a reasonably even 360 spread suggests a very good result from our external antenna position.

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General Discussion / Re: External antennae on Jodels

« on: July 04, 2021, 05:17:02 pm »

Hi Lee, this might be the case, would explain why our navigation was working (Skydemon off the PAW GPS), but I cannot find the vector on our correct Hex ID. The aircraft has been grounded since November due to lockdown /engine rebuild complications, only flying for the first time on 23 June. Until I can get back to the aircraft I can't check, but it would explain if the Hex has reset to default for some reason. I wonder if the settings were inadvertently changed due to the licence software update complication we had. Will report back asap. Regards Martin

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General Discussion / Re: External antennae on Jodels

« on: July 04, 2021, 10:35:06 am »

Very helpful thanks Peter. Hex 401E9B G-BHVF vicinity of Henstridge - Yeovilton. 23 June 2021 1145-1600 (subsequent flights not sure if PAW activated as we were looking at other aspects, although it was plugged in so should have been transmitting). Our PAW is connected to transponder for ADSB-out.

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General Discussion / Re: External antennae on Jodels

« on: July 03, 2021, 05:40:00 pm »

Thanks for the advice. Its a Rosetta and according to the update app on my phone, current version is 20201101 licence expires 2-May-2022. We have had around 4-5 flights over the past week or so, nothing showing on vector. I think the first couple of flights might have coincided with expiry failure, oddly Skydemon worked perfectly first flight then would not connect second flight, checked through the iPad the pilotaware admin page 192.168.1.1 on the wifi connection whilst still in the aircraft and clicked the 'update software' button, then it seemed to work with in flight navigation normally again. We didn't turn the unit on for the subsequent flights, busy with other snagging. Subsequent check of vector website shows no flights, so I am wondering if the Hex ID has dropped off the settings somehow..... can't check until next back at the aircraft, that's the only problem with a permanent install, the unit is not removable to play with at home. It would be good if the phone app could 'save' the last on-device settings page so that you could see what the Rosetta setup is without being connected 'live' and /or whether it was broadcasting correctly.

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General Discussion / Re: External antennae on Jodels

« on: July 03, 2021, 10:31:39 am »

Mike / Mart,

Well done both - external antennas are almost always a significant improvement, even in flexwings!

It would be really helpful if one (or both) of you fancy writing up brief details of your permanent Jodel fit (with photos / before and after Vector screenshots and any other significant hints or tips) and posting it in the ‘Fixed Installations’ section of the Forum (see previous posts there for examples). That would make it much easier for us to direct other Jodel owners to the details in future.

Best Regards
Peter
(PilotAware Development)

Hi Peter, our install was fitted in the Jodel just before first lockdown spring 2020 and we have had little opportunity to flight test, coupled with a protracted engine rebuild this spring which has prolonged our getting back into the air until only recently. Currently running in the new engine (and refreshing pilot currency) and may be little time before we can fully understand and configure our PAW system. Recent flights (after 6 months on the ground) we seem to have had a problem with the licence renewal not updating on the device, so nothing showing on vector for our Hex ID, need to recheck the settings (we have paid this year !!). Otherwise, once we know its all working, will look at sorting out a write up and take some photographs.

Regards
Martin

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General Discussion / Re: External antennae on Jodels

« on: June 30, 2021, 06:23:50 pm »

Yes - we mounted ours on the aluminium rear fuselage access panel - our transponder antenna on one side, the PAW in/out and ADSB receiver on the other side, spaced apart. Seems to work fine.

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Technical Support / Re: LAA refuse approval to connect Pilotaware to Funke transponder (ADSB out)

« on: May 08, 2021, 12:18:54 pm »

Thanks Clive. Whereas Trig provide updates for free.... Doubt that we will do anything with our Funke at present, not happy about sending them more money for something still not properly certified and their information is unclear as to what this update does. What is the firmware number on yours following the update (ours is 5.3)?