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General Discussion / Re: Pilotaware ATOM "This was the game changer on the day"

« on: June 04, 2021, 11:40:41 am »

One thing to consider when comparing DF17 & DF18 reception is height of the aircraft. You will pick up many more DF17 signals from greater distance as many will be much higher than the DF18 signals. It would be interesting if you could place an upper limit on the graph to have a more alike comparison.

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Technical Support / Re: Old registration showing

« on: May 20, 2021, 08:39:02 am »

Two different things:

• First is change your reg to another but the aircraft stays the same so hexid does not change
• Second change your wing hence its a different aircraft so requires a new reg and hexid

Hexid is assign to the aircraft and not the reg. The aircraft database on each PAW and station will need to be change to reflect the new reg.

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General Discussion / Re: Pilotaware ATOM "This was the game changer on the day"

« on: May 15, 2021, 08:48:29 pm »

I see the RV had a Skyecho, but seemingly didn't 'see' the Phenom with that!

Was the Phenom outputting ADS-B or Flarm as it it wasn’t then SE2 would not see it and this shouldn’t be a surprise.

I see the RC had a Skyecho, but seemingly the Phenom didn’t ‘see’ it but then does the Phenom have ADS-B in?

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OGN-R PilotAware / Re: Data consumption

« on: February 28, 2021, 12:16:53 am »

I’m not sure what you mean by “I own the network”? The pi is connected to the local area network, which is owned by the user.

To monitor the bandwidth used you either need software on the device that can track the packets in/out of the network interface or place something between the device and the Internet. This in-between could be the Router but mostly they have limited functionality and may not provide bandwidth on a per device basis.

Vince

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OGN-R PilotAware / Re: Data consumption

« on: February 25, 2021, 11:09:30 pm »

On the prepaid Three data SIM’s I’ve bee using uploads haven’t counted.

The free SIM they do, just add 2 quid to it and you get 200MB free per month.

They do a 24GB prepaid which lasts for 2 years or until you consume the 24GB. On my 3rd one of these and at 42 quid is only £1.75 per month or per 1GB

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Three-Mobile-Pay-Broadband-Data-Black/dp/B01M3VJ2B2/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=302TIRY1QEXFS&dchild=1&keywords=three+24gb+data+sim&qid=1614294403&sprefix=Three+24gb%2Caps%2C160&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUExTFMyTjVMQTY2MlczJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwNDIwOTg2MlI2UVJGVlNDMVZGTiZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwMDQ5ODI3Mkw2NVFPTzE1VzNDSyZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2F0ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU=

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OGN-R PilotAware / Re: Data consumption

« on: February 25, 2021, 10:00:49 pm »

Long post, I have a couple of comments

Your cameras will consume very little download as they are mostly uploading possibly huge amounts but still won’t cost a great deal.

I was the one who saw 150MB per month but this was when it was just uploading Flarm traffic. I got away with a Three 200Mb SIM which had no cost as is/was free.

I do not expect the 360Radar MLAT traffic will use much download data as this is mostly upload therefore this will be little cost.

Updates will be mostly download so need to be considered.

VRS will no doubt download data on aircraft that it displays which could be large if utilised a lot.

What I suspect will be the biggest download will be the data for aircraft for the rebroadcast.

Just out of interest my firewall list 157GB used accessing VRS on my LAN over the last few months. If this was done remotely it would be upload.

Vince

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OGN-R PilotAware / Re: Data consumption

« on: February 24, 2021, 11:07:15 pm »

Measuring accurately the data usage has always been something I have wanted to do but just never got round to it. My firewall (expensive NGFW type) allows me to set a policy on a device to manage / monitor the traffic. Unfortunately without dumping the traffic logs for this policy off to a syslog system for later analysis, I can only see details of the last 24 hours and a cumulative bandwidth used. The cumulative figure over the last 2 months is about 15GB but this is combined upload and download figure. For data usage we are really only concerned with the download, as upload is not counted.

So I’m happy to do this for my own benefit but will hope it will help others. Though the pilotaware team should be able to tell if any site is running on a mobile connection as they would have access to the external IP of each site.

Vince

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OGN-R PilotAware / Re: Data consumption

« on: February 24, 2021, 01:35:56 am »

I originally had OGN-R at the airfield using a 4G router and Three prepaid 24GB SIM. This was originally just receiving PAW & FLARM so it only really uploaded and downloaded very little. As upload does not count towards the data allowance the pre-purchased 24GB was never consumed.

When the changes to OGN-R came in and it started to download traffic for rebroadcast this changed, the data started to be consumed quickly. This coincided with power issues at the airfield so the OGN-R was shutdown until we could sort the lack of power & lack of data. We have sorted the power out at the airfield now but my monitoring of the data used by ATOM at home has not been promising with large amounts download data.

I currently have a spare 4G router and access to a SIM with substantial data allowance so happy to run up my station off this for a few months. I can then post daily data usages that Vodafone record, which will be more accurate than my firewall provides.

Vince   

 

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OGN-R PilotAware / Re: OGN-R 20191101 Not auto installing onto 20191008

« on: November 04, 2019, 10:30:45 pm »

Creating a VPN tunnel from a unit sat on an internal LAN is a security concern as this then gives access to local network. An breach or misuse of the central server would allow the same on all contributors local networks. What assurances will be given that no traffic will be inbound to the OGN-R ground stations? I will need to look at placing my ground stations in a DMZ to protect the computers on my LAN.   

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OGN-R PilotAware / Upgrade overwriting custom vrs settings and users

« on: April 06, 2019, 01:21:44 pm »

I have configured some users and setting in VRS and have these settings surviving a reboot but they get overwritten on a software update with defaults.

I currently port forward from my firewall to the pi's vrs port so rely on the users to limit who can access vrs from the Internet and the upgrade breaks this leaving it open to anyone.

The update script backs up & restores VirtualRadar.org/Configuration.xml but not the Users.sqb files

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OGN-R PilotAware / Re: Latest version 20190327 and vrs

« on: March 31, 2019, 12:10:30 pm »

I'm just watching a glider on the ORN-R's Virtual Radar page which has no reg but Flightradar24 shows the reg OK

But then another glider from the same site has the reg appearing, both Flarm.

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OGN-R PilotAware / Re: Latest version 20190315 and vrs

« on: March 27, 2019, 11:39:46 pm »

Full install done, copied over station settings and all running great. vrs now running but little traffic about at the moment so will check in the morning.

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OGN-R PilotAware / Re: Latest version 20190315 and vrs

« on: March 27, 2019, 10:25:26 pm »

Ah ha, ok will do a full install on another SD card which I guess is the missing piece of the puzzle.

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OGN-R PilotAware / Latest version 20190315 and vrs

« on: March 27, 2019, 09:42:11 pm »

I’ve got the week off, so thought I would update the OGN-R at home. I updated this to 20190315 and noticed it now includes vrs which didn’t seem to run. After a little digging for a couple of days it seems that some mono modules are missing. I then played about with mono and managed to get vrs to run but not sure the receiver config is correct as the website did not list any traffic. However the package installs did not survive a reboot even with the filing system mounted as rw.

I then installed vrs on my desktop machine and now have vrs getting traffic from the OGN-R pi over my LAN.

Tonight went to play some more and noticed the OGN-R is now running version 20190327 which looks to have updated at 16:01

 

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OGN-R PilotAware / Re: New Stations Added

« on: March 09, 2019, 09:07:16 pm »

No he will have a pilotaware unit in his a/c. OGN-R only relays glider traffic to pilotaware units and does not transmit on flarm or OGN.