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Thanks everyone for your replies.  A lot of very good points are made.
 
The main aim of the posting, however, was not to bring about a technical discussion but instead to bring pilots/aircraft together at an event where practical experience of any device can be gained and shared.
 
Please let us all know if you will be flying to any of the events listed, and with what aircraft (type and registration), so that we can focus on the best candidate location for both ground and airborne electronic conspicuity experience.
 
Please respond as soon as possible and by Thursday 19th 23:59 for this week’s events to:
·         bob.darby@aopa.co.uk
·         gps.trial@nats.co.uk
We will reply to all mails received that indicate participation, and post on as many sites as we can the selected location (based on replies) on Friday evening.

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Pilots who would like to experience ADS-B in live operation will have the opportunity to do so at several Fly-ins over the next few weeks. If you are planning to take part in any of these Fly-Ins, please read the details below and contact Project EVA.

21st May: BMAA Fly-In, Fenland.
21st May: LAA Devon Strut Fly-In, Porthtowan.
21st-22nd May: Super Spring Fly-In, Barton.
22nd May: LAA Andover Strut Fly-In, Popham.
28th-29th May: Rougham Fly-In.
30th May: Bidford Wings and Wheels.
4th June: Sutton Meadows Fly-In.
5th June : Brimpton Air ambulance fly-in at Brimpton.
11th June: All-American Fly-In Compton Abbas.
11th June: Sherburn Fly-In.
12th June: Biplane and Vintage Fly-In, Redhill.
17th-19th June: Air Rally, Guernsey.
18th-19th June: Air Britain Fly-In, North Weald.
18th-19th June: LAA Devon Strut Fly-In Farway Common.
24th-26th June: Alderney Annual Fly-In.
1st-3rd July: Aero Expo UK, Sywell.

There are now several varieties of ADS-B available for GA aircraft and pilots. These are
•   1090 MHz ADS-B-in and ADS-B-out.  This is “classical” ADS-B, as used by commercial air transport but now also being trialled in the Project EVA consisting of NATS, AOPA, Funke, and Trig, in the form of the LPAT – Low Power ADS-B Transceiver. (EVA stands for Enhanced Visibility by ADS-B.)
•   Power FLARM. Although mainly used by glider pilots, it can be carried in any GA aircraft.
•   Pilot Aware.  A more recent development aiming mainly at usage by lower end GA aircraft.

The CAA, supported by AOPA, LAA, BMAA, BGA, BHPA and other flying groups as well as NATS, has been examining “Electronic Conspicuity” for some time and decided that ADS-B on 1090MHz is the most promising technology.  This allows interoperability between aircraft carrying the equipment as well as visibility of those aircraft by ground stations and, eventually, ATC.   

NATS has supported the connection of uncertified GPS to Mode S transponders, to see how good the ADS-B data is and has concluded together with the CAA that it is acceptable for use in the UK.  The LAA has now taken over the approval process and an increasing number of aircraft are becoming equipped. This equipment is interoperable with “classical” ADS-B.

Project EVA is carrying out trials of LPAT together with other types of ADS-B Electronic Conspicuity.  EVA would like in particular to take advantage of ADS-B equipped aircraft attending Fly-Ins to see how well various types of device operate and especially how well different devices interoperate. To do this, we need to know about ADS-B equipped aircraft taking part in Fly-Ins. This is interoperable with “classical” ADS-B and NATS GPS trial equipped aircraft.

So, if you are ADS-B equipped with any type of ADS-B, please let us know as soon as possible, so that Project EVA can make arrangements to meet up at a Fly-In and understand your experience with ADS-B Live.  As an incentive, for those pilots and aircraft who carry out an ADS-B equipped flight and complete a questionnaire afterwards, EVA can cover up to half of the costs for your ADS-B flight.
Even pilots who do not currently have ADS-B can join in, because EVA has a couple of LPAT units and a Power FLARM unit that we can lend you on the Fly-In day.  EVA will cover up to half of the costs for a local ADS-B flight from the Fly-In airfield on the day – but please allow at least a couple of hours for this.

EVA is currently interested in pilots and aircraft who will be taking part in the Fly-Ins listed above over the next few weeks.

Please contact ALL the following:
•   bob.darby@aopa.co.uk
•   adrian.PRICE2@nats.co.uk
•   john.korna@nats.co.uk

We can’t guarantee to cover all the events listed.  The ones that we do cover will be chosen based on the number of pilots and aircraft who take part, so the sooner you register your interest, the better.



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Overall winner:
G-JUFS
Socata TB9
270 points
Pilots: Costin and Richardson.

It was good fun - the most legs that I have flown in a single day.

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" ... not to get distracted and keep a good lookout outside the cockpit, especially bearing in mind the potential non-compatibility element between system ... "

Very well said - thank you for that reminder

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Pilots may be interested in the “Flyball” event that is taking place on Saturday 7th May.  There are 19 airfields taking part: Bodmin, Brimpton, Chichester/Goodwood, Chiltern Park, Compton Abbas, Denham, Derby, Lashenden (Headcorn), Fairoaks, Land’s End, Netherthorpe, North Weald, Popham, Redhill, Rochester, Sandown Isle of Wight, Shobdon, Sywell, Wolverhampton.  The idea of the event is to visit as many of the airfields listed between 10h and 16h, finishing at Popham, and to collect a ball with a number on it at each airfield.  The person who collects the balls with the highest total value is the winner. I attach the rules.

That is likely to mean several aircraft in and around Popham just before 16h, so there will be plenty of opportunity to see how well any ADS-B device is working. So, if you fly from one of the airfields mentioned above and you have fitted an ADS-B device, it’s a great opportunity to experience ADS-B from your own cockpit.
 
There are now several ADS-B-IN and ADS-B-OUT devices available: PAW, NATS LPAT, NATS GPS-trial aircraft; Power FLARM.  They are not all mutually compatible but there should still be opportunities to see the benefits of Electronic Conspicuity.

Hope to see you at Popham!

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General Discussion / Re: New CAA low power portable ADS-B device spec
« on: March 26, 2016, 08:58:52 pm »
There are a lot of ideas being expressed in this thread and a few misconceptions.  As someone who has been involved in ADS-B (on 1090MHz and other frequencies) for a long time, and who also participated in the Electronic Conspicuity Working Group, I have tried to set out the main principles of Electronic Conspicuity, Airborne Collision Avoidance for GA and their relationship to ADS-B, together with a short summary on current activities.

I must also correct the initial statement of the post dated 26.03.16 08.01.21pm, which states "PAW ... is not an ADS-B transmitting device".  It most definitely is an ADS-B transmitting device!!

My main concern is safety and to get the greatest benefit for the widest possible range of GA pilots by promoting mutual interoperability - which leads to the mantra of SEE, BE SEEN, AND AVOID.

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