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General Discussion / Re: 360radar network
« on: June 04, 2019, 09:15:22 pm »
A couple of points;  I don’t have Lee’s contact details and I have never knowingly met him although I do think I may have had a teleconference involving him, some years ago. I have met Keith Vinning on a number of occasions both professionally and personally but have never managed to get a straight answer about this topic or several other issues despite his clear immense enthusiasm for the functionality.

I don’t feel MLAT should not be deployed at all. I am a huge fan off MLAT generally and have been consistently impressed with what NATS ‘Crystal’ network achieves utilising the technology.  As far as 360radar is concerned, I am full of admiration for what has been achieved not least because I am a very early adopter of SBS1 and 3 receivers and Planeplotter enthusiast. However, my enthusiasm is tempered by my other passion which is GA safety and the robust and safe deployment of this sort of functionality in the GA fleet.

The PAW team can, of course, do whatever they want but I have got a particular interest in how PAW data and other aircraft positional data is processed and presented in third party apps. I have a lot of experience in HMI design in relation to ATC tools and functionality and latterly have worked quite closely with that amazing talent, Tim Dawson in the concept of operations and design of SkyDemon Traffic.  My concern was and remains that without a high degree of positional accuracy or at least a measure of likely accuracy in relation to each target that the subsequent processing and alerting in relation to those targets can be misleading and at worst, dangerously disorientating.

All I (and I suspect SkyDemon) are trying to establish is how, ahead of the PAW multilaterated data going live, those multilaterated targets will be differentiated from those targets with an emphatic position source and what accuracy is going to be associated with the multilaterated ones. Once that is known, clever people doing clever things with PAW’s clever data can ensure safe and robust presentation of that data.

No more, no less and certainly not worthy of some of the vitriol directed at me by some of the team developing a product I have purchased as a customer.

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General Discussion / Re: 360radar network
« on: June 04, 2019, 04:32:54 pm »
I presume your concerns are raised because of the blatant and disgraceful attempt on the Flyer Forum to undermine the rollout of PilotAware Mode-S/3D by trying to discredit the quality of 360Radar’s data. Rest assured that we are all far more interested in working to ensure system reliability and robustness than engaging in what would inevitably become yet another ADSB v PAW slanging match on the Flyer Forum. The results of our long-term Mode-S/3D testing (which will prove the quality of the data) will be released at the appropriate time chosen by the Team, not as a knee-jerk reaction to ‘Cub’s’ obvious trolling attempt.

Peter

I am sorry that you regard my 'blatant' attempt to understand the integrity of the position information supplied by 360Radar to the latest iteration of PAW as 'disgraceful' and 'trolling'.  It is neither.  I have worked tirelessly for the last 10 years in a variety of roles to improve safety in GA and have worked particularly closely with Tim Dawson at SkyDemon in his delivery of SkyDemon Traffic to enable robust and reliable proximity alerting.  If, as you suggest, you are able to prove or quantify the quality of the data presented to SkyDemon and other applications processing PAW data than I will be the first to celebrate this additional alerting capability available to the GA fleet. 

I believe my challenge as to the potential problems in generating proximity alerts from anything other than emphatic position information is reasonable and I resent any suggestion that I am in any way trolling when my concerns are based around a genuine HMI safety concern, which incidentally will form a percentage of my day job in a few weeks time.

I feel as a PAW and 360Radar customer that I don't deserve to be referred to in on the User Forum in derogatory terms and certainly not when my concerns have not been addressed via polite challenge elsewhere.

It would be far nicer if we could play nicely and constructively to achieve our mutual aim.

Cub

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