PilotAware
British Forum => Technical Support => Topic started by: Moffrestorer on June 06, 2016, 02:40:09 pm
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Hi Lee,
Can you please spell out the procedure for updating a PAW Classic to today's new release?
Thx,
Chris
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Hi Chris,
Lee seems to be offline at present so here goes.
This is the best way to carry out an auto-update. edited to incorporate Lee's later comments
- First check that your current software is at least version 20160511 (earlier versions won't auto-update)
Turn off your Pilotaware
Connect it to your home or other router with an Ethernet cable.
Power up the PAW and leave it running - any new update should automatically download, but to be sure, leave your PAW connected to your router for at least 20 minutes. Depending on your router subnet, you may not be able to connect to your PAW during this stage.
Power down and disconnect the Ethernet Cable
Power your PAW back up again.
Connect to PAW from your usual tablet or whatever and go to the Home Page (or any other main page).
Click the (Updates) button from the top of any page - if there is a new update it will be listed.
Click the Install button and wait while PAW installs the update. This may take some time.
Check the Home Page, which should now show the new update as PilotAware Version (New Date) e.g. (20160530).
You are now running the new update.
The main benefit of the Auto-updating system is that, unlike the 'old' method, you no longer need to reformat the microSD card each time and your licence details are retained, so you don't have to re-enter them after every update (both of which were a pain). Downside? The only one I have found is that I have to take the PAW out of the plane (it's semi-permanently fitted) or buy a big long ethernet cable :-\
Edit: Also see Reply 18 on Page 2
Regards
Peter
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Hi Chris, Peter,
a quick addendum to Peters posting
If your home router uses the subnet 192.168.1.xxx
Then you will not be able to connect from your wireless tablet, whilst it is connected to your home router.
This is because the Wired and Wireless networks cannot use the same subnet.
So 2 possibilities
1. connect to your home network, and leave for 20 mins
turn off
disconnect from home network
turn on
connect from tablet
2. connect to your home network,
access your router connected client page, to discover the IP address allocated
from another machine connected to your home network, connect to the address indicated on your router
Personally, I think option 1 is easier, connect, leave for 20 mins & come backe later
Edit: Finally, we are about to upload the full operating instructions, and this information is detailed therein
Thx
Lee
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Thanks Lee,
My tablet connects fine during update, which is why I didn't know this. That will be today's new knowledge :D
I have updated my advice above to reflect this.
Regards
Peter
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Please note also, this release MUST have a PilotAware Bridge present in order to work correctly.
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Ahh, I wondered when that would happen to put a cat among a few pidgeons. :D
Alan
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The main benefit of the Auto-updating system is that, unlike the 'old' method, you no longer need to reformat the microSD card each time and your licence details are retained, so you don't have to re-enter them after every update (which was a pain). Downside? The only one I have found is that I have to take the PAW out of the plane (it's semi-permanently fitted) or buy a big long ethernet cable.
About updates.... Can we simply update our sd card in a second PAW at home then take just the SD card to the airfield and put it into the PAW installed in the aircraft. This card already has the correct key, hex, reg, in the settings? Or in other words have 2 sd cards for one main PAW, just updated in a second unit (just a Raspberry Pi) I hope this makes sense
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Richard,
I'm sure I tried that, but have a feeling I still had to re-enter the license key etc. Can't quite remember. Hopefully Lee will advise when he sees this.
Peter
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The licence key should be written to the SD card so should work ! I will try it.
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It will presumably depend on how Lee has programmed the update to load onto the existing card.
Regards
Peter
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About updates.... Can we simply update our sd card in a second PAW at home then take just the SD card to the airfield and put it into the PAW installed in the aircraft. This card already has the correct key, hex, reg, in the settings? Or in other words have 2 sd cards for one main PAW, just updated in a second unit (just a Raspberry Pi) I hope this makes sense
Yes this should work actually
Thx
Lee
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I have just tried to up date as described in the new manual. Is there a problem? Ok connected to PAW via 192.168.1.1 no problem.... Powered down connected direct to router... Power up.... Then can not connect via 192.168.1.1. It just hanging with out connecting. Running version 20160511 which should be ok. We have had this problem befor on the earlier version. Has anyone had the same problem or is it me? I have updated this way befor.
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I have just tried to up date as described in the new manual. Is there a problem? Ok connected to PAW via 192.168.1.1 no problem.... Powered down connected direct to router... Power up.... Then can not connect via 192.168.1.1. It just hanging with out connecting. Running version 20160511 which should be ok. We have had this problem befor on the earlier version. Has anyone had the same problem or is it me? I have updated this way befor.
Richard,
Please follow my earlier post (Reply 1) but Don't connect your tablet to your PAW until after you have connected it to your router, powered it up, left it for 20 minutes, powered it back down and disconnected it from your router. Then re-start it, connect to 192.168.1.1 from your tablet, select (Update) from the Screen Headers and check the updates page. If an update has downloaded correctly it will be there waiting to 'Install'.
Regards
Peter
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Peter is right, your home router is probably on the same subnet 192.168.1.xxx
So you cannot access the wifi whilst connected to your router
I have changed my router subnet to be 192.168.0.xxx that way I can run both interfaces
Thx
Lee
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One thing you can do Richard is log in to your router and find what IP address your PAW is using on the home network. Using your tablet (or PC) connected to your home network, you can log on to the PAW using the assigned IP address.
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Thank you gents.. I will try in the morning.....
Now that works.. Ok all updated now.... Thank you
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Well done Richard... :)
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Please note also, this release MUST have a PilotAware Bridge present in order to work correctly.
Ah! so no chance of me testing to see if my Nexus 7's connection is now stable before buying a bridge then? :(
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About updates.... Can we simply update our sd card in a second PAW at home then take just the SD card to the airfield and put it into the PAW installed in the aircraft. This card already has the correct key, hex, reg, in the settings? Or in other words have 2 sd cards for one main PAW, just updated in a second unit (just a Raspberry Pi *) I hope this makes sense
Richard,
I'm sure I tried that, but have a feeling I still had to re-enter the license key etc. Can't quite remember. Hopefully Lee will advise when he sees this.
Peter edit: Lee advised that this is possible
Morning Richard,
I noted late last night that you managed a successful update of your main unit via Ethernet. My memory is clearer this morning regarding updating the card from the PAW fitted in your aircraft by using a second unit at home as a 'surrogate'. I remembered what the issue re the License was and have just tried this using my 'spare' ADSB Only pi 2 as the surrogate and also using one of my old Pi B+ units to confirm.
As Lee says, you can take the micro SD card out of the PAW 'fitted' in your aircraft home, put it in your 'spare' Paw (* or another raspberry Pi, though if you want to carry out the download checks this needs to at least have a PAW WiFi dongle fitted) connect that to your router, power it up and wait 20 minutes, power down again and disconnect the Ethernet cable. If there was a software update available it will have downloaded. If you want to check, then power your 'spare' PAW/Pi back up with the 'Main Unit Card' still in it and connect to the 'Home Page' from your tablet, it shows:
Pilotaware Software Version (Date Code) License Expired()
...because the license code on the micro SD card in it is for your Main Unit! and therefore carries the Main Unit Licence details which don't match your current unit's MAC address!
At this point, if you click on (Updates) - you will see the new version listed next to the (Install) button, but remember you are not trying to update the 'Surrogate', so DO NOT CLICK (INSTALL). If you did it wouldn't run but might corrupt the information on the card. Simply power down and remove the micro SD card.
When you return to the airfield, place this card in your 'Main' unit, power up, connect with your tablet, go to (Updates) and click (Install). Time for a cup of coffee and when you come back your Main Unit will be running on the new version.
As you say, if you have 2 cards both initially set up for the 'Main Unit' with the correct Licence details, Hex Address etc, this method will allow you to 'download' updates remotely at will and transfer them to your Main Unit when you next visit your aircraft.
Nice one Richard!!! and Three Problems Solved in One!
Basic Ethernet Update
Remote Update Using a Surrogate Pi
We've finally found a relevant use for our old B+s
Now we just need to get Keith to add this to the nice new Operating Manual :(
Best Regards
Peter
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Please note also, this release MUST have a PilotAware Bridge present in order to work correctly.
Ah! so no chance of me testing to see if my Nexus 7's connection is now stable before buying a bridge then? :(
Hi Vic,
Actually you can still install to test your WiFi issue, because you can see if you can connect to the home webpage
http://192.168.1.1
if you get a connection, then you know the reversion to WiFi Mode-B has solved your issue
Thx
Lee
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One Again Thank you.... Yes, I have just compleated the update as you have described above, and it all works OK. I did it the way Lee suggested and did the Update on the Surrogate PI B+ then transfer it to another PAW using PI2 and also carrying the key for that PAW PI2. All worked OK. Now I will try again with the main unit installed in the Aircraft... I suspect all will be good to go
Thank you Again.
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Richard,
To save yourself an extra trip, you could of course do a Manual Install of the new software on a fresh card to get your Main unit working right away, then change over to the new 'Surrogate' system afterwards. You will need to re-input your details manually the first time you use the 'new' card though.
Thanks for the prompts
Regards
Peter
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Hi Vic,
Actually you can still install to test your WiFi issue, because you can see if you can connect to the home webpage
http://192.168.1.1
if you get a connection, then you know the reversion to WiFi Mode-B has solved your issue
Thx
Lee
Thanks Lee, that's much more stable, rock solid through 2 walls in the house!
NOW! when can I buy a bridge!!?? :D
**EDIT** Disregard, I see they're up on the shop now! :)
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Hi Vic,
Actually you can still install to test your WiFi issue, because you can see if you can connect to the home webpage
http://192.168.1.1
if you get a connection, then you know the reversion to WiFi Mode-B has solved your issue
Thx
Lee
Thanks Lee, that's much more stable, rock solid through 2 walls in the house!
NOW! when can I buy a bridge!!?? :D
**EDIT** Disregard, I see they're up on the shop now! :)
great so I will set the WiFi thread to SOLVED
Thx
Lee
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What was the final consensus on running the PAW without the ADSB antenna attached? I know there was some debate but I cant recall any definite position one way or the other.
If the antenna is 'installed' in the aircraft it makes it inconvenient to take it all off to do updates at home.
Cheers
Dave
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Dave,
I take it you mean for updating at home, leaving the Antenna in situ in the plane?
There is no problem running the PAW without the ADSB antenna as this part is receive only, but the technical answer is that you should never run a transmitter (i.e. the P3i part) without an antenna attached as this causes the transmitted signal to be reflected back into the output stage of the transmitter which can cause damage. The discussion was around the fact that the P3i is a very low power transmitter, so is less likely to be damaged by its own output. However if damage did occur through operating without the antenna attached, this would almost certainly void the warranty.
If you have read replies 1 and in particular 18 above, you will see there is an alternative method using a 'spare' raspberry pi (if you have one) as a 'surrogate' to download updates without removing your main unit from your aircraft. If this is not possible / desireable and you still want to take the unit home, you should get yourself a spare aerial (preferably an end fed dipole as supplied in the kit).
Hope this helps.
Regards
Peter
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Yes it does thanks. I can bring the unit home with the P31 attached but leave the ADSB behind in the aircraft. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't going to break it.
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Nope, no problem with doing that :) :)
Peter
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Auto Update?
My home network is not 198.162.1.XXX but another number 198.162.X.XXX
I am guessing that is going to scupper my auto update.
Steve
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192.168.....
But no, it shouldn't scupper anything, the Paw will get an IP address from the DHCP when you plug it in.
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Steve,
As Paul says, your home router's network address has no effect on the auto updating procedure itself. If your home router uses 192.168.1.x, that only stops you logging onto your PAW during the update to see whether it has finished - because the PAW can't use the same IP address for a wired and WiFi connection at the same time. Mine obviously doesn't use 192.168.1.x because I can still log onto my Pi during update, but that's not essential. Paul and Lee have given an alternative for those computer minded among us, but if you are not, just keep it simple.
Use the:
'FIRST plug in your Ethernet , then power up your paw (very important), wait 20 minutes, power down and unplug' method.
You can then power your PAW back up, connect with your tablet/laptop as normal, check for the update and tell it to install. You don't need to be connected to the router for that bit. In fact as you will have read, you can even do it later using the surrogate install method.
Regards
Peter