PilotAware
British Forum => General Discussion => Topic started by: grahambaker on September 03, 2020, 09:22:04 pm
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I’ve updated to the latest release, but I only discovered it was available through word of mouth.
Apart from the new METAR page, I have no idea of the other enhancements and improvements, and can’t find anything on the website.
Where can I see such release notes, please?
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The reason there has been no official launch, is that the documentation is still under review
Thx
Lee
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So the new version is out?
I see it is on the Lode page, but I haven't had an email nor on Facebook? Is it ready for general use?
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If you are a confident early adopter - go ahead
Otherwise await the official notification and documentation
Thx
Lee
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Lee and Team
Upgraded one of my PAW.
The process is brilliant! All done in a few seconds and working.
Thanks for all your efforts.
Regards
Gerry
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Lee
Working in software, just wondering if you've got it the wrong way round. Wouldn't it be better to have everything in place, then make the update available?
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Lee
Working in software, just wondering if you've got it the wrong way round. Wouldn't it be better to have everything in place, then make the update available?
In an ideal world, but as mentioned I have been contacted by lots of early adopters wanting access to the software, hence the tentative release, with a full announcement to follow shortly
Thx
Lee
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I'm using the beta, should I upgrade? Is there any difference? (I've bought 3 64 Gb cards [super fast ones], just to be ready, Android user)
I know, upgrade, not sure why I asked. - Thanks guys, awesome kit
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Hi Gerry,
Did you manage to upgrade with the ios app?
(My app loads 20190621)
Thx,
Roger
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Hi Gerry,
Did you manage to upgrade with the ios app?
(My app loads 20190621)
Thx,
Roger
I had that problem, and resolved it by deleting the app and reinstalling it.
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Hi Guys,
Presumably that fixed it Graham.
Anyone else reading this - you need to already be running at least 20190621 to use the App. It can’t update from anything older. Anyone still on an older software version than 20190621 needs to do a full manual update.
Regards
Peter
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Roger Hi.
Yes I used the PAW App on iPhone XR.
It was very slick operation. No brainer......thats good for me!
Regards
Gerry
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Did you manage to upgrade with the ios app?
(My app loads 20190621)
Hi Roger
We think there is a caching issue in the app, workaround right now is to delete and reinstall
Thx
Lee
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I don't use iStuff so upgrade using the 'fresh formatted SDCard, full reinstall' method. Just take note of the settings (I do screenshots) before changing the card over and reapply settings. Quite straightforward.
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Did you manage to upgrade with the ios app?
(My app loads 20190621)
Hi Roger
We think there is a caching issue in the app, workaround right now is to delete and reinstall
Thx
Lee
Just to provide another report.
A friend uses iOS and was on 20190621.
He freshly loaded the app onto iOS and it stopped at 23% and said "Update failed".
He tried everything after that except delete and reinstall.
I told him to do this and then the update completed successfully.
He is very happy and very impressed with the new METAR.
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Hi Steve
There is an issue in the app if you hit the upload multiple times, it gets into a locked up state.
The only remedy is a reboot of PAW and a restart of the APP
This problem is fixed in the new release of PAW, so wont occur on the next update.
thx
Lee
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Hi Steve
There is an issue in the app if you hit the upload multiple times, it gets into a locked up state.
The only remedy is a reboot of PAW and a restart of the APP
This problem is fixed in the new release of PAW, so wont occur on the next update.
thx
Lee
I don't know exactly what happened, as I guided my friend to the app and the update over WhatsApp.
However, the 20200825 version is now installed.
I'm not on iOS for any of my devices.
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I updated mine the old way ..ethernet cable connected to my router.
It went...
Downloading and Resetting - DO NOT POWER OFF
inflating: overlays/rpi-display.dtbo
inflating: overlays/rra-digidac1-wm8741-audio.dtbo
inflating: overlays/pisound.dtbo
inflating: overlays/i2c-rtc.dtbo
inflating: overlays/upstream.dtbo
inflating: overlays/allo-piano-dac-plus-pcm512x-audio.dtbo
inflating: overlays/i2s-gpio28-31.dtbo
inflating: overlays/vc4-fkms-v3d.dtbo
inflating: overlays/gpio-shutdown.dtbo
inflating: overlays/mbed-dac.dtbo
inflating: overlays/goodix.dtbo
inflating: CHANGELOG.txt
inflating: recovery.cmdline
Saving Personal Data
tar: Removing leading `/' from member names
...And then appeared to freeze, but I left it ten minutes, refreshed the browser page to find it had updated OK
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Installed old way, using a Windows PC to download full install version, unzip files, format and copy files on the SD card
I had to format/copy/install twice before success, but now the new version is up and running.
METAR function is awesome!
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Does the "download update file to a USB stick and plug into PAW" method still work?
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Does the "download update file to a USB stick and plug into PAW" method still work?
Yes it does.
thx
Lee
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Thanks Lee,
I just ran the PAW Upgrade from the upgrade tab and selected the full install. It backed up all the settings; did the upgrade; fully restored the settings and came up flawlessly. Very well done!! Excellent work - it looks really good. I briefly investigated the IoS route but my phone and iPad Mini 2 are sadly IOS 12, not 13 :-(
OGN-R all going well too.
Just need to get flying.
All the best
Chris
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First test flight with the new software yesterday, the METARs look great. only problem was, no matter how many times I tried, I couldn't get the Bluetooth to connect (or even see) our comms panel.
Never had this problem before though it always was a clunky slow process. Has something changed?
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Downloaded the app to my iPhone 8 at the weekend.
Updated my Rosetta to 20200825. The whole process was seamless and PAW is working correctly
Cheers
Martin
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I’ve updated to the latest release, but I only discovered it was available through word of mouth.
Apart from the new METAR page, I have no idea of the other enhancements and improvements, and can’t find anything on the website.
Where can I see such release notes, please?
I have downloaded the latest update with a flash drive pgp file. The ios paw updater only allows version 13 and above to download. I suggest many ios uses have older iPads that only have version 12.
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I have downloaded the latest update with a flash drive pgp file. The ios paw updater only allows version 13 and above to download. I suggest many ios uses have older iPads that only have version 12.
I think the question is whether older IOS releases be supported
I’m afraid the answer is no, Apple will NOT allow new apps to be built for old releases, this is out of our control. It is Apple’s way of making you buy new devices
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It is Apple’s way of making you buy new devices
Or, in Keith Lemon speak, "It's Apple's way of tearing you a new one..."
A high quality device lasts much longer that it needs to for the financial viability of the manufacturer. So, planned obsolescence is always part of the plan. Apple has recently settled a class action over this, for slowing down older phones on a newer iOS.
Unlike Android and the hardware which is fairly open and has alternative ROMs to load on older devices, the walled garden is actually a prison.
OK, Richard Stallman rant ends now...
iOS devices are good and top quality whilst they are allowed to work. Enjoy them for what they are.
Later.
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The plaintive cry of protest that a new OS software level cuts off newer Apps is the history of Computer technology.
Both 'camps' are as responsible as each other and its been that way since 1980 when early 8086 Processors were called PC's.
Apple in 1984 was proprietary too until it 'massaged' BSD Unix in the 90's. Its still very closed unless you obey their rules.
The Customer drives it on. Faster, better quality WiFi, 30 Megapixel Camera, VR it goes.
If you dont get drawn by it many legacy devices still work well.
I have a MacBook Pro from 2006 on Snow Leopard 10.6.8 Software and it has quite a lot of functionality of my modern iMac running 'Catalina' OS
The Android devices I have are Tablets running from: Android 4.4: Jelly Bean to Android 8.1: Android Oreo
Very few Android platforms allow upgrade of OS and especially if they are Chinese design in my experience.
The Industry has us tied up like a kipper! Its only saving grace is that prices in general are lower in respect to the prices we paid in 1980's.
Assessing the added value of a software upgrade that leaves you behind and staying where you are is all thats available.
Developers can only work within the SDK's provided.
Thats the end of my Sunday Sermon.....delivered virtually from my iMac Pulpit.
Bless You!
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Quick question: Flew today with the new version, what's the red tower looking thing on the SkyD screen?
Good work by all, many thanks, especially like the updater app.
Regards, Clive
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Hi Clive,
That's a PAW ATOM-GRID Ground Station (PWGROVEFM). After several years of trying, we have finally persuaded SkyDemon to show the Ground Stations as Masts instead of aircraft! They only show with the latest PAW and SD software versions, and for anyone else reading this, you also need to enable 'Display Ground Stations' on the PAW Configure Screen.
Next bit edited to correct a mistake in my understanding, sorry for any confusion this may have caused: :-[
On Sky Demon the Ground Station Masts periodically change colour between Green, Yellow and Red. I had presumed it reported signal level, but it turns out that was incorrect (it does happen occasionally - I’m only human.) Thankfully Lee has now advised me that the colour change DOES NOT indicate signal strength, but - apparently - reflects the time since SkyDemon last received a position report from that particular Ground Station. This is however complicated by the fact that ATOM Ground Stations are designed to optimise uplink of traffic over transmission of their own position, - so when traffic density is high and the uplink is busy, the station automatically reduces the frequency of its position reports, so the mast will change colour to Yellow or Red - even though there is no degradation in signal.
The important thing is that if you can see a Ground Station Mast on screen (of whatever colour), you will be able to receive uplinked Flarm traffic positions, Mode-S MLAT positions instead of bearingless warning rings (subject to there being sufficient PAW or 360Radar ground station coverage to achieve multilateration and Mode-S/3D being enabled on the PAW Configure Screen) and Metars (providing you are near the station long enough for the Metars to upload).
Hope this is now much clearer.
Best Regards
Peter
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Thanks for the info, that's excellent. I have been trying to figure the blind spots on my installation and will giove 'seeing' the ground station a try to see what the receive is like.
Regards, Clive
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Hi Clive,
I fear I have misled you in my earlier post about the colour-changes of the PAW ATOM-GRID Ground Station Masts on SkyDemon, having misunderstood the reason for the colour changes myself. Having been made aware of the actual reason for the changing colours, I have significantly updated my earlier post to correct this error. Sorry for the misinterpretation.
Best Regards
Peter
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Had a fly around the same ground station and it does indeed change colour. After reading the updated explanation of why I noted what it was doing. What surprised me was I was flying just after a front passed through and was one of the few in the air locally, it was still changing colour though.
I shall continue to observe with interest.
Thanks for update Peter.
Regards, Clive
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Hi Clive,
Thanks for the update. Don’t worry about the colour - if it’s yellow or red all that means is that the Ground Station is prioritising and uplinking important data rather than it’s own ‘signature’. As long as the station symbol is being displayed (in whatever colour) you should be receiving any appropriate Flarm & Mode-S/3D (MLAT) positions and Metar data.
Safe Flying
Best Regards
Peter
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Genuine question - why is it necessay for the pilot to see a change in colour of a ground station; it's surely irrelevant to us how long it is since it last broadcast its position as it doesn't move!
Is there another reason why its deemed a 'good thing' - if not, it just adds confusion.
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Hi Graham,
I don’t think it is necessary at all. Seems to have been based on a misunderstanding of the way the Ground Stations process and uplink data.
Regards
Peter
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Not sure if this is a question for Tim over on the SkyDemon forum, but would it be possible to display a "mast" symbol in corner of screen to show when a mast is within range and therefore uplink data is being received. Often the map could be zoomed in that you won't see ground station locations.
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@Merlin,
The masts are pretty visible as they are, (though admittedly not quite as visible in yellow) and I certainly wouldn’t want them hidden in a corner of the display rather than shown in their actual position.
If you set ‘Display Traffic Info’ in PAW / Configure to ‘Alternate’, the aircraft labels for positional Mode-S will alternate between the Aircraft Reg and ‘M’ and ‘Flarm-type’ traffic will alternate between its Reg (or Flarm ID) and ‘G’. This only happens when received via uplink, so confirms that uplink is active.
It took us long enough to get Tim to stop showing the ground stations as aircraft (which triggered audio alerts - especially in the circuit) and show them as Radio Masts, so please let’s just be thankful for what we have managed to achieve and not rock the boat unnecessarily. ;)
Best Regards
Peter
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I have an outstanding from Tim I need to respond to on this
The ground stations only uplink their own position when not busy uplinking traffic and metars.
So when busy uplinking traffic, the station position report is de-prioritised
We need to think of a way to tell SkyDemon that the station is still uplinking data
This is a todo for us not SkyDemon
Thx
Lee
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Slightly unrelated, the Rosetta docs say the anker power supply is 12V
However I believe its this one which is dual voltage? https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00VH84L5E/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_ep_dp_qof8Bb63BAW8Y ?
Could the descriptions be updated to say dual voltage?
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Hi riverock,
You are of course correct - the power requirement of PilotAware is 2.1Amps at a minimum of 5Volts (nominal 5.2 Volts). This can be supplied from a variety of sources and the Anker PowerDrive 2 ‘vehicle’ adaptors are rated at 12/24 volt. We will have a look at the documentation and amend it as necessary. Thanks for pointing this out.
Regards
Peter