PilotAware
British Forum => General Discussion => Topic started by: pivi03 on July 02, 2017, 12:13:58 pm
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Firstly hello form a new member from Switzerland.
I don't know whether this has been discussed or not. While waiting for my PA delivery i was wondering wheter i can use the data built-in data module of my ipad while PA is connected via wifi?
SD is providing a useful weather overlay via cell-data.
Thank you for the help and clarification.
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Hi, yes with an iPad you should still be able to access data via the mobile network even through it is connected to PA via WiFi.
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You will need to assign a static IP, there is a thread on this on the forum
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You will need to assign a static IP, there is a thread on this on the forum
Really? You shouldn't need to on an iPad, all mine (on the current iOS version) will happily connect to PA and still use the 3G/4G data side just fine.
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I have no problems with PAW WiFi connection to SkyDemon and also a 4G service simultaneously using an iPad
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Hi Jeremy
On my iphone I have to set a static IP otherwise the iphone uses pilotaware as its gateway.
Very annoying, I am surprised this works for you, are you sure your Pilotaware is not running the old kernel 3.x.x ?
Thx
Lee
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Hi Jeremy
On my iphone I have to set a static IP otherwise the iphone uses pilotaware as its gateway.
Very annoying, I am surprised this works for you, are you sure your Pilotaware is not running the old kernel 3.x.x ?
Thx
Lee
Nope, says it's kernel=4.1.19-v7+
It's always worked that way for me. You don't send a DNS server with the DHCP packet, so iOS works it out.
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Hi, I just tried this on my ipad mini (it uses the three network incase that is relevant!) it was working then I saw the note about the Kernel and found I was on an old kernel so re imaged and now can't get it to access the internet with or without setting the static IP!
What am i missing?
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You can try forgetting the PAW wifi network and reconnecting, might be some old data lurking in there.
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Ok tried the Forget and still have the same issue.
Interestingly (or not!) since the reimage with the latest full software 20170619 downloaded today when I connect to the Pilotaware wifi I get the wifi symbol on the Ipad, previously I believe it said 3g/4g at the top of the iPad screen.
In the network info i have been served a DNS and router all with the Pilotaware IP 192.168.1.1 and standard subnet of 255.255.255.0
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Hmm, I'll have to upgrade mine and see what happens. If you set a static IP address but leave the gateway & DNS blank it should work too, just more hassle.
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Thanks for some reason I had decided to set the static IP option within Pilotaware, which had no effect.
setting the ipad's connection for pilotaware to 192.168.1.2 with a subnet of 255.255.255.0 and leave all other option blank does work. Thank you
Could this not be set within the DHCP server of PilotAware? or however it was done before?
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Hi,
So I just picked up my PAW yest. I just plugged all the components in as described in the quick setup guide, and the licence key. --> works.
I am pretty happy. :D :D :D :)
On my next flight on sat, i would like to test it.
However, I didn't manage to make my cell-connection work.
I set everything as Wadoadi described, but no luck.
@Wadoadi: Do you have a screen shot of your Ipad config page for me?
Any other idea?
Thank you so much in advance.
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Sure no problem and welcome to the club!
note you cannot use 192.168.1.1 as PilotAware used that.
each device that will connect to your Pilotaware will need its own unique IP address in the range of 192.168.1.2 - 192.168.1.254 assuming the subnet is 255.255.255.0
note it should also say no internet connection for the Pilotaware connection.
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Could this not be set within the DHCP server of PilotAware? or however it was done before?
Unfortunately not that easy.
When switching to Jessie, the recommendation was to switch from udhcpd to dnsmasq
I have not found a way for dnsmasq to not set the router field in the client
Thx
Lee
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I have a fix to this issue.
Anybody who wants to test it, and is OK at installing from a USB Memory stick ....
Drop me a PM
Thx
Lee
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Happy to test it, i have PM'd you but not sure if it sent as not in my outbox!
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Happy to test it, i have PM'd you but not sure if it sent as not in my outbox!
Have replied, we are eagerly awaiting your findings :)
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I'd test it, but it worked for me anyway. I do have an Android tablet here that I should be able to put a SIM into (if I can find an adapter) to give that a try too if needed.
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Hi Jeremy
This issue was not present in kernel 3.x, I presume that is what you have ?
Thx
Lee
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Sorry Lee, still not working.
I have checked the version has changed to 20170706
iPad still shows the wifi icon not the 3g/4g and looking at the network config it shows router and DNS as 192.168.1.1
And i have confirmed that i cannot navigate any internet site.
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Hi Jeremy
This issue was not present in kernel 3.x, I presume that is what you have ?
Thx
Lee
I have 4.1.19-v7+
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i have a different kernel !
Model B Pi 2, kernel=4.4.34-v7+
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i have a different kernel !
Model B Pi 2, kernel=4.4.34-v7+
Did you try the HotFix ?
Just wondering if you reproduced my findings ?
Thx
Lee
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Hi Lee
Not sure the relevance of this and your latest fix....I have downloaded it and applied it anyway so in summary I have version 20170706 running on 4.4.34-v7+
I never used to get connectivity issues at all but now SkyDemon keeps reporting loss of contact and going into offline mode at the bottom of the screen even though its set to online while planning only. The only thing I could do to stop this was to manually adjust the settings from DHCP to Static in WiFi connections (iPad) and delete the line for the DNS. This resolves this issue. Is this the Jessie update causing the issue on dnsmasq
Kind regards
Brinsley
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I hadn't really thought about it before, but the current default for network settings is causing SkyDemon to trigger a pop up message that is going offline. It appears that the PAW is giving the impression that it can provide Internet access, which SD tries to use for weather and NOTAM data, and of course fails. Setting a static IP with only an IP and a Mask should resolve that?
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Thanks Ian.....
Thought it was me going mad.....
Thats kind of what I've done....However I'm sure there's going to be a few people irate not knowing how to resolve it !!
Happy days !!
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Thanks Ian.....
Thought it was me going mad.....
That's kind of what I've done....However I'm sure there's going to be a few people irate not knowing how to resolve it !!
Happy days !!
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Hi Brinz
I am confused, I have not released the fix to the 3g/4g issue
I gave a private link to Adrian, so what did you install?
Btw, I would recommend a 'forget network', and shut down restart wifi
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One other comment
I think it is the router option not dns in the static settings which needs removing
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I am confusing myself too Lee
Somewhere I saw there was an update which is version 20170706. Its on the pilotaware lode. This is an update to the one on general release that I was using last week....however I do not know what the changes were !!
Everything now works on mine just removing the DNS option....Does this help ?
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Removing either field in the static connection settings does work....however removing the DNS entry only, stops the warning coming up about no internet connectivity in the wifi settings page
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Brins, I have sent you an email with a link
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Brins
If you still have the link to the (updated beta) please try again, I noticed a simple error now fixed
Thx
Lee
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Hi Lee,
just tried build 20170711 and I'm pleased to report it is working with both my iPhone and iPad Mini 4 Cellular
I do not see the wifi icon on either device after connecting, the connection says "no internet" and I can access the pilotaware home page and the internet via 4G
great work
Out of interest what was the fix as I still a router and DNS configuration as 192.168.1.1 ?
thanks
Adrian
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Hi Adrian
Could you also post an update on the SkyDemon forum for the same issue ?
The fix was to NOT issue a Router Advertisement from PilotAware,
This was pretty tricky !
Thx
Lee
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Wow, well done, haven't touched RIP, BGP and other routing stuff in years!
Re Skydemom sure do you have a link or subject title? I didn't raise it so no idea what I'm looking for but happy to post an update...
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I found and updated the following on the SD forum: http://forums.skydemon.aero/FindPost23914.aspx (http://forums.skydemon.aero/FindPost23914.aspx)
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Thanks Lee...The patch is great....works with the new direct PilotAware tab connection on SkyDemon a treat with or without 3g/4g connectivity...
Is it me or does the latest kernel version 4.4.34 take twice as long to boot now....??
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I have just update SkyDemon too, love the new PilotAware connection option. Using it I don't see the seeking satellite message straight in to the a/c position.... Great the combination just keeps getting better!
Oh and also confirm I can still access data via cellular data while connected to Pilotaware with the test update.
Thanks
Adrian
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Hi
I've just update my PAW to the latest 20170706 and updated the kernel to 4.4.34 (and sky demon to the latest) and now I get this problem mentioned in the thread of no longer having 3g/4g connectivity when my iPhone is connected to to the paw wifi and its driving me mad. I've read the previous comments in this thread about a "solution" but afraid it may as well be written in dutch. Can someone advise (in simpleton terms) how I get back my 4g connectivity while connected to PAW? - never had this problem with previous versions.???
As mentioned by someone earlier in the thread I tried changing the iPhone setting for the PAW wifi on my iPhone to static 192.168.1.2 with mask 255.255.255.0 (no router nor DNS entry) and although this then let my iPhone use 3g/4g for internet connectivity while connected to the paw WIFI, when I then tried to "fly" in sky demon and selected "pilot aware" rather than as previous flarm, skydemon just sat there with a message "connecting to device" eventually timing out saying "connection to gps is lost"
thanks
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can I try this 20170711 fix please?
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As mentioned by someone earlier in the thread I tried changing the iPhone setting for the PAW wifi on my iPhone to static 192.168.1.2 with mask 255.255.255.0 (no router nor DNS entry) and although this then let my iPhone use 3g/4g for internet connectivity while connected to the paw WIFI, when I then tried to "fly" in sky demon and selected "pilot aware" rather than as previous flarm, skydemon just sat there with a message "connecting to device" eventually timing out saying "connection to gps is lost"
Hi Fleagle, I had the same issue with mine and managed to resolve it. I wish I could say exactly what I did, but it suddenly started working as advertised. Steps I Know I took are
1. Checked SD location Services are set to 'Always'
2. Shut all applications down.
3. Rebooted my iPad
4. fire up PAW and connect to its WiFi Hot Spot
5. Check it has a GPS fix (green light on home page)
6. Start SD and then 'Use PilotAware'
Can you try these please and let me know how you get on? Lee is aware that I had this issue, now we are two :-)
Cheers
Ian
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Thanks Ian - have tried as you suggest (and many other things) but still no joy. Basically, this boils down to 2 things.
1) have my iphone connect dynamically to the PAW WIFI hot spot - SD connects and shows traffic but has no internet connection so it throws out the connectivity error box every 30seconds or so. plus of course no other app on my phone can see the internet.
or
2) connect my iPhone statically to the PAW wifi (missing out DNS & router IP addresses) - This allows my phone to defer to 4g internet connectivity while connected to PAW wifi but SD then won't connect to PAW to get any traffic or gps information.
Lee - fix urgently required please - this surely is a common fault for all who have upgraded to latest software and Kernel?
thanks
Neil.
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I have a fix but want to thoroughly test
Static ip and udp are incompatible,
If you want to assign a static ip in ios, then you need to use the old flarm connection method
Thx
Lee
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Ah, that may be why mine started working, I have just remembered that I deleted the WiFi connection (Forget this network) and reconnected. That would put it back to DHCP.
Fleagle, when using DHCP, you can stop that connectivity error box by setting SD connectivity to Off-Line. Need to turn it back on when you want to update weather and NOTAMS.
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Yeah I know about switching off SD connectivity for planning and in flight mode but that's not the point really. I was hoping to get back to what we used to have. I.e. The paw hotspot not fooling iOS services into thinking that it has Internet connectivity when it clearly doesn't. Plus I use a number of other apps that need internet connectivity. Yes there is a fudge workaround but hardly slick or convenient.
I look forward to Lee issuing the proper fix.
Cheers
Neil.
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All looks good now. Cheers. ;D
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Fleagle does this mean a fix been implemented? or have you done a work around?
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The fix is in the latest 20170721 Hotfix Update.
Peter
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sorry to be clear the latest hot fix 20170721 fixes the issues nicely - no drops from sky demon, 3g/4g connectivity while connected to the PAW wifi hotspot and lots of lovely traffic to see in SD via pilot aware connection. ;D