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British Forum => General Discussion => Topic started by: PaulSS on May 04, 2018, 08:15:33 pm
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Well, we can't just have this hidden where we can't comment :)
http://forum.pilotaware.com/index.php/topic,1248.0.html (http://forum.pilotaware.com/index.php/topic,1248.0.html)
I think the 80mm display will be very interesting. Shame I won't be at Popham to have a butchers.
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Looks interesting … be good to see the updated specs etc on the PAW site...
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Paul / Sean,
I was priveledged to be present at an advanced viewing yesterday evening. It’s an extremely nice bit of kit. Very professionally designed and developed by our colleague James Rose (who designed the Radar 3D app) and with some excellent potential future development opportunities. Watch this space.
Regards
Peter
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Hi All
The unit looks good, looking forward to finding out more.
Some questions from the announcement if I may, trying to covert the marketing speak back to technology :)
"Upgraded Processor" - So moving on to the Pi 3B or Pi 3 B+ I assume? Using the built in wifi will be good, one less dongle?
"Low Noise Receiver" - A better spec'ed SDR dongle or changes to the P3I radio chip?
"New P3i Radio Bridge" - What are the changes on the bridge?
"Upgradable to UAT Weather" - so the addition of a second SDR, and the ability to do GDL90 out? Will that be applicable to the current hardware version?
Cheers
Kev
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To a Pi3B, the later plus version is not compatible with present software.... yet
Bridge has been altered to fit the supplied case and allow clearance for second antenna socket, not aware of any other changes.
UAT weather requires a second SDR and coax splitter to avoid a third antenna. GDL90 available for classic versions of PAW now. Note: UAT transmissions are only on trial in limited locations.
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Thanks Ian, much appreciated.
GDL90 doesn't appear to work on v20180129 - at least when I set SkyDemon to "other GDL90 compatible devices' it can't find a GPS signal from PilotAware when I press Go Flying?
Any thoughts on what the upgrade path will be for current PAW users?
- Buy another SDR and aerial spliter - that's a given.
- Buy a Pi 3B - mandatory, recommended or optional?
- Buy a different license, etc?
Sorry, I appreciate these are maybe some what frustrating questions to a team that are busy trying to get a new product released, but I am both keen to get UAT weather, generally a keen explorer of technology, and lacking in patience sometimes :)
Cheers
Kev
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Hi Kevin
You are correct we have been working hard at getting Rosetta out and preparing for Popham.
At Popham Rosetta was very well received and there was a lot of interest in an upgrade path.
We are working on this and should be able to announce something in a couple of weeks.
We don't want too many variants.
A new bridge, case, antenna, RTL-SDR pigtail and label are required as a minimum plus a second RTL-SDR and different pigtail if weather is required.
We recognise that not all people will want weather at least until its past the trial stage.
In true PilotAware fashion we will be doing a trade in with the old stuff to bring it up to Rosetta standard but w haven't finalised the process yet.
We will post out on the forum and the facebook page when this has been finalised.
Cheers
Keith
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One thing to bear in mind is that GDL90 currently doesn't do bearingless traffic, so you'll lose Mode C and non-ADS-B Mode S traffic, at least in the implementation on Sky Demon, I don't know about other software.
No, GDL90 isn't on the public release yet, the dichotomy of the bearingless vs. traffic thing is one thing which is perhaps holding it back at present while it's decided on the best way forward.
The "engineering beta" software does both Flarm (which does bearingless but not weather) and GDL90 (which does weather but not bearingless) so you can choose, but it might cause confusion at this point.
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Paul is correct. There is a current trade off between weather and mode CS
This needs to be explained to allow users to make an informed decision.
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Any examples of the traffic display for us to see anywhere? I'm afraid Popham would have been a bit of a hike :(
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Hi All,
One thing to bear in mind is that GDL90 currently doesn't do bearingless traffic, so you'll lose Mode C and non-ADS-B Mode S traffic, at least in the implementation on Sky Demon, I don't know about other software.
As some of you will know, my ‘real’ role in the PilotAware Team (as opposed to the time I spend on here) is ‘flight-testing’ and reporting on hardware and software development. In this role, I flew down from Scotland to Wellesbourne on Thursday (en route to Popham) running the latest development software in a pre-production ‘Rosetta + Weather’ unit, feeding into SkyDemon via the PilotAware UDP protocol (with Bearingless target display). It ran faultlessly all the way with, by the way, considerably improved Bearingless target audio reporting which will be a real boon - hopefully in the next release (thanks Lee).
After popping over to Sywell on Friday afternoon and dropping in at Turweston (to see their new ‘PilotAware Radar’ in action) I then changed connectivity to GDL90 for the flight to Popham to test weather reception past WAP. I also used GDL90 all day Monday for a flight from Popham along the South Coast, then round via Redhill to Damyns Hall.
Paul is quite correct about the loss of Bearingless Target Visual Alerts when using GDL90, and prior to these test flights, I was extremely concerned about ‘losing’ these visual warnings on SkyDemon (and have expressed my concerns to Tim D about this on several occasions), but what I had forgotten was that you still get the Audio Alerts for Bearingless Targets straight from PilotAware. After a short time using GDL90 in a high density of Mode C/S aircraft, I realised that not having the visual ‘rings’ reduced potential distraction and forced me to look for the aircraft outside, rather than on the screen - so it’s not necessarily such a bad thing - as long as you don’t miss the relative altitude in the audio message. I will reserve judgement while development continues.
Regards all
Peter
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We need a 'Like' button...
Good stuff in the pipeline by the sounds of things.
(shout if you need help testing - I've got some looooong days coming up in the Heli …)
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Ditto, I have a two ship 3,000 mile round trip to Dubrovnik in less than a month if you need some testing :)
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Hi Kevin
You cant get weather transmissions in Birmingham let alone Croatia :-) Its only a small trial remember.
Have fun are there any airstrips on any of the Croatian islands?
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Hehe, 2 transits through the South of England to pick up the weather :)
Mainly big airfields in Croatia, but GA etc generally welcome. Im told the run down past the dalmation coast is fantastic!
Cheers
Kev
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Probably beats my stuff in and around Cambridge today ….!
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Did the trip down to Dubrovnik LDDU a couple of years back and can vouch for the scenery,
one of the Islands i can recommend for a stop is Losinj LDLO well worth a couple of days,
and stopping at Portoro Slovenia LJPZ on the way back makes it easy to drop into the Venice lido
LIPV a must if you haven’t been there imo
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I am interested in the Rosetta so do we have a time scale for it’s launch, and can i put in a pre order or be put on a waiting list,
Ivor
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Hi Ivor,
According to the Pilot Aware Facebook page it's already on the streets and some people have it or have ordered it.
http://www.pilotaware.com/rosetta-purchase-form/ (http://www.pilotaware.com/rosetta-purchase-form/)
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Thanks paul
i have ordered one ;D
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It was available at the Popham show, and I expected the unsold units to be made available on the web shop, seems the shop needs updating ASAP to keep the ball rolling.
Giver, where did you order a Rosetta? I can only see the Classic version.
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I'm not going to click on it for you ;D ;D
http://www.pilotaware.com/rosetta-purchase-form/ (http://www.pilotaware.com/rosetta-purchase-form/)
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I note that the upgrade path for existing users is not in place as yet.
But if I were to order a Rosetta to replace my existing PAW Classic is it just a case of swapping the SD Card from the old to the new or does it require a different licence?
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OK, it looks like we have two different shops now!!!!
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I note that the upgrade path for existing users is not in place as yet.
But if I were to order a Rosetta to replace my existing PAW Classic is it just a case of swapping the SD Card from the old to the new or does it require a different licence?
Peter G,
Unfortunately, you can't just 'swap cards' between units as the license is linked to the MAC address of each individual unit. The Rosetta comes with the latest Public Release Software already loaded and includes a 1 year license. You just need to register it on www.pilotaware.lode.co.uk to get the Licence Key for the new unit and input it as you would have done with your Classic (instructions are included).
Regards
Peter
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OK, it looks like we have two different shops now!!!!
Yes,
PilotAware 'Classics' and accessories are still available from www.pilotawarehardware.com, but Rosetta is currently only being marketed via the Main PilotAware website - www.pilotaware.com
Regards
Peter
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There will be a merging of the two sites in the future
Regards
Keith
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Just taken my first flight with Rosetta!
Ordered it Sunday and arrived yesterday which was great!
I am a student pilot at Rochester and after a reasonably close encounter a few weeks back just after take off, I knew i had to buy either the original pilot aware or the new Sky echo.
Thats when I saw Rosetta being advertised so was a no brainer for me.
My instructor was pretty impressed with it today.
First thing I had to do was upgrade the software as the radar functionality was missing as advertised.
VFR flying was terrible today with low clouds and poor visibility around Kent so to have this working on my sky demon was really reassuring.
There wasn't much traffic around today probably because of the weather but i could see all the flights coming in and out of Southend and Gatwick show up.
Overall it seems to work really well. Only issue was on my instructors iPad it kept disconnecting after 10 minutes or so which was annoying although didn't do the same on my android phone.
I have another flight booked in on Friday so will do some more testing with it then.
If anyone has any questions or ideas with the iPad kept disconnecting please let me know.
Thanks,
Rob
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Just taken my first flight with Rosetta!
Ordered it Sunday and arrived yesterday which was great!
I am a student pilot at Rochester and after a reasonably close encounter a few weeks back just after take off, I knew i had to buy either the original pilot aware or the new Sky echo.
Thats when I saw Rosetta being advertised so was a no brainer for me.
My instructor was pretty impressed with it today.
First thing I had to do was upgrade the software as the radar functionality was missing as advertised.
? what version was it running initally, and what version did you upgrade to, thishas been available for over a year
Overall it seems to work really well. Only issue was on my instructors iPad it kept disconnecting after 10 minutes or so which was annoying although didn't do the same on my android phone.
Q1. What S/W version are you running
Q2. How many devices did you have connected ?
You mentioned iPad / Android Pad - by any chance have you connected any other devices (iphone etc) that may have auto connected and gone into standby ?
Q3. Android running SkyDemon, what was the connection method ?
Q4. iPad running ?SkyDemon?, what was the connection method ?
Thx
Lee
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Just taken my first flight with Rosetta!
Ordered it Sunday and arrived yesterday which was great!
I am a student pilot at Rochester and after a reasonably close encounter a few weeks back just after take off, I knew i had to buy either the original pilot aware or the new Sky echo.
Thats when I saw Rosetta being advertised so was a no brainer for me.
My instructor was pretty impressed with it today.
First thing I had to do was upgrade the software as the radar functionality was missing as advertised.
? what version was it running initally, and what version did you upgrade to, thishas been available for over a year
Overall it seems to work really well. Only issue was on my instructors iPad it kept disconnecting after 10 minutes or so which was annoying although didn't do the same on my android phone.
Q1. What S/W version are you running
Q2. How many devices did you have connected ?
You mentioned iPad / Android Pad - by any chance have you connected any other devices (iphone etc) that may have auto connected and gone into standby ?
There were no other devices in the aircraft than those 2 devices.
Q3. Android running SkyDemon, what was the connection method ?
Q4. iPad running ?SkyDemon?, what was the connection method ?
Wifi
Hi Lee,
Q1 I am running the latest 20180520 and sorry i didn't take down the original version but it was 201802 something if my memory recalls correctly not that it is now an issue.
Q2 2 devices, an android Samsung S7 phone and my instructors ipad (unknown model)
Q3 Wifi Band G, Powermode was 100mw, Wasnt aware there was another method? I had left the higher power transmission on as i had been testing it in my garden the day before. I have now switched it to 20mw so maybe that will help with power efficiencies.
Q4 Wifi same as above and running SkyDemon same as my android phone.
I have another flight on Friday so I can retest to see if the issue persists.
Many thanks.
Rob
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I think the connection method question was whether you used "Flarm" or "PilotAware" on Sky Demon.
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I think the connection method question was whether you used "Flarm" or "PilotAware" on Sky Demon.
Ah that makes more sense ;)
It was using PilotAware.
Thanks,
Rob
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Hi Rob
Both were using PilotAware ?
ie, Android and iOS
for further clarification, do you know the exact error message when disconnecting ?
it is very important to know the exact message, and usage, for example was SkyDemon being put into the background at all ?
were other processes being brought to the foreground ?
With all these things - the devil is in the detail
Thx
Lee
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Hi Lee,
Both were Pilot aware, one Android one iOS.
The first time it happened was pre take off and I believe that was from waking up the iPad from using it in the club house where I set up his ipad to connect to the PAW.
The other times were in flight and I was flying at the time so I didn't get to see the exact message but it was something along the lines of "the device has disconnected".
As a Technology Lead you would think I would have thought to take down the error message although I was flying the plane at the time on a lesson so that is my excuse ;D.
Best thing for me to do is try it again tomorrow now I am more familiar with the device as I have been fine tuning it with it sitting in my garden for the past few hours.
If it happens again I will take down all the parameters and error messages.
If i had to guess though I would imagine it may have been the higher wifi output which may have made the device a little less stable but that is pure speculation.
Ill respond tomorrow after my flight.
Great community by the way!
If you ever need a Guinea pig in Kent let me know.
Thanks,
Rob
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Rob,
If your instructor knows how to take a screenshot on his iPad (by pressing the power button and home button together), that’s the quickest/easiest way to grab any info / messages with minimal impact on your lesson. You might need to resize the file(s) later to attach to a post as the limit is 512Mb.
Regards
Peter
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Rob,
If your instructor knows how to take a screenshot on his iPad (by pressing the power button and home button together), that’s the quickest/easiest way to grab any info / messages with minimal impact on your lesson. You might need to resize the file(s) later to attach to a post as the limit is 512Mb.
Regards
Peter
Thanks yes I will do that on my next flight. Unfortunately the weather hasnt been playing ball the past few days but will test it again next time I am up in the air.
Thanks,
Rob