PilotAware
British Forum => Technical Support => Topic started by: Mike Woodbridge on July 28, 2018, 01:34:22 pm
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When I first set up my Pilotaware I could see the little radar showing traffic in SkyDemon. This is no longer the case. The PAW connects vis the SD. I can see the radar working in the PAW page. Does anyone have any set up instructions or anything I can do in SD to get this working?
This a is on an IPAd with gsm and Wi-fi.
Thanks in advance.
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You have to be connected to your PAW and in ‘Go Flying’ mode for the traffic radar screen to appear.
I’ve also a feeling that it may not display until the first traffic message is passed to SD by PAW, but I may be wrong on that point.
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Thanks, I have been connected to SD and in go flying mode. I have seen the radar on SD. It no longer comes up.
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Hi Mike,
You also have to have set up in Sky Demon a traffic receiver.
I think if this is set to NONE, then the radar display is not shown.
Go to Settings
3rd party devices
select Pilot Aware (or flarm etc)
Page 86 of the manual. http://www.skydemon.aero/help/manual.pdf
Deker
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Thanks, I have been using the the third party connect system set to PAW.
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I have now tried sky demon at max range and cannot see the traffic that s showing on the PAW radar page. It is connected, I have no mice’s why n traffic is showing in sd.
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I’m not sure how mice come into it unless they’ve nibbled a cable somewhere!
Are you seeing any traffic on the main SD Chart? If not, check your +- filter setting in SD.
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Please post screenshot of
Home page
Configure page
Thx
Lee
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@Mike Woodbridge,
Just catching up on Forum posts after returning from holiday and notice that this thread seems to have dropped off the Radar (no pun intended). Have you resolved your problem yet or do you still need assistance?
Regards
Peter
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I would be grateful for assistance. I am a regular user of PAW and use it as the GPS source driving SkyDemon. I can only see the PAW radar screen by accessing 192.168.1.1
in SD I get traffic warnings (rings red / green around my aircraft and voice alerts) but cannot see a radar screen on the SD display.
I am an experienced pilot but a computer numpty so any explanations will have to be very basic.
Thanks,
Trevor
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Hi Trevor
Is it the max height difference settings, in either pilotaware or skydemon
I think skydemon defaults to 6000ft, and PilotAware 50000ft
Thx
Lee
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Thanks, Lee,
I will fiddle with those values when I next fly.
Trevor
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On a tablet, the traffic radar won’t appear until it receives its first positional target, and it will appear in the bottom right hand corner of the screen. Touching it will provide some options.
On a phone, the radar is displayed as an alternate full screen, accessed by touching the SD logo bubble, and selecting the option from the pop up.
All of this in navigation mode, obviously, but you can test it by spawning traffic in simulation mode.
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Hi Trevor,
Can you give us a few more details - in particular, what device are you using to display SkyDemon and what connectivity option you have selected?
I’m not sure I agree with Graham’s statement above that ‘...the traffic radar won’t appear until it receives it’s first positional target’ as I’ve certainly seen it with no traffic showing. The SkyDemon Radar Screen should certainly appear automatically at the bottom right of your screen (below the main display, to the right of the main horizontal ‘Virtual Radar’ display), but both of these lower displays only appear once you have started SD by selecting ‘Go Flying - Use PilotAware’ and have taken off, or at the very least moved ‘off blocks’.
The SkyDemon Radar Screen will NOT, however, be displayed if you are using a particularly small display screen (e.g. a small phone), but with the exception that you can set up an iPhone (but not an Android phone) to display solely the SD Radar Display - (which is why I asked what device you are using).
If you haven’t already done so, I suggest taking a look at the SkyDemon User Manual and Tutorial Videos here...
http://skydemon.aero/help/ (see page 89 of the Manual for info on the Traffic Radar).
You should also be aware that the circles you are seeing around your aircraft on SkyDemon are alerts for ‘Bearingless’ traffic - where we have decoded the aircraft’s altitude, and (where available) it’s Reg ID, from its transponder response to a Radar ‘ping’, but don’t have any info on the aircraft’s horizontal position (as this isn’t transmitted) by ‘raw’ transponders. These aircraft won’t appear in the SD Radar Display. You should, however, also be seeing moving known position aircraft on your SkyDemon display depending on what ‘Show within vertically’ settings you have set in both PilotAware/Configure and SkyDemon/Settings/Navigation Options and what traffic is within range.
If in doubt about connectivity options and configuration, please have a good read through the PilotAware User Instructions here...
https://pilotaware.com/Documents/Operating%20Instructions%2020190621.pdf?_t=1561197960
Then please feel free to come back with any specific queries if you are still unsure or can’t get things sorted.
Best Regards
Peter
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I’m not sure I agree with Graham’s statement above that ‘...the traffic radar won’t appear until it receives it’s first positional target’ as I’ve certainly seen it with no traffic showing.
Yes, the SD radar display is often present without itself displaying traffic, when any traffic is beyond its fairly limited range. However, I’m sure it was my experience in the early days when I was experimenting with settings that the radar panel wouldn’t pop up on a tablet until the first traffic message was passed to SD by PAW.
I was unaware that the full screen option wasn’t available on Android phones.
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Guys, I have some sympathy with Trevor here, I have never seen the Radar screen on my setup either, but just assumed it was only available on IOS, and I use Android exclusively, on both my HTC One phone, and Huawei 8" tablet.
Peter, until I get back to my aircraft (my PAW is behind the panel) I can't repeat your suggestions, but I use the options you say and have never seen the small radar display on my main SD screen. Graham, I tried your Simulation exercise, and couldn't see the Radar display (however, I'm not sure how to "spawn" traffic).
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Hi Graham,
Sorry, I wasn’t trying to be controversial in any way or trying to ‘dis’ your post. You may well be correct in your assertion that the Virtual Radar Screen needs Traffic Info to trigger its appearance. For authoritative confirmation that question would need to be addressed to SkyDemon.
My point was intended solely to help Trevor determine why the Virtual Radar isn’t appearing on his setup. I was aware of the option to go ‘full screen’ on an iPhone (from an early conversation with Tim Dawson) but am pretty sure that this facility has never been extended to the android version due to the myriad of different android phones out there. The option certainly doesn’t appear on either of my android devices (or for that matter my mini iPads) and I don’t own an iPhone to check it.
Unfortunately, while the SkyDemon Manual does make reference to the option to display SD Virtual Radar in full screen on a separate smartphone to supplement your main tablet display, it makes no mention of any limitation to iPhones - it also BTW incorrectly refers to the Traffic Radar Screen appearing at the bottom left-hand corner of the SD screen.
I have submitted a post on the SD Forum to request clarification.
Best Regards
Peter
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Hi Bob,
Although I normally use an iPad mini these days in the plane, (originally bought for it’s more useful 4x3 rather than widescreen format), I also run SD on various android devices - including a 2013 Nexus 7 tablet and my (now ageing) Samsung Galaxy S5 phone - both of which display the horizontal ‘Virtual Radar’ and the ‘Traffic Radar’ once I have selected ‘Go Flying’ with traffic device, but in both cases without the ability to go ‘Full Screen’ with the Traffic Radar on either device.
I have started a thread on the SkyDemon Forum, which you all might like to contribute to.
Regards
Peter
p.s. Just checked both android devices in case the problem was linked to screen orientation - it isn’t - the Traffic Radar Screen appears in both Landscape and Portrait Modes.
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For info:-
I use android tablet which displays the small radar screen in the lower left corner while navigating.
Touching the small radar causes it to enlarge by about 2x. Another touch sends it back into the corner.
Occasionally I also use my android phone, which I can set to full screen "radar" as supplemental display to the tablet.
(When in nav mode it does not have the small radar screen as this would need a microscope to see).
Deker
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@ExfirePro - no offence taken, we’re all trying to help Trevor here!
For clarification, to get to the full screen traffic radar on an iPhone (and an Android one by the sound of it :) ) you touch the SkyDemon ‘bubble’ top left when in Navigation mode, and select ‘Traffic’ from the pop up, but this option will not appear until a connection to PAW device is established (and possibly the first traffic message has been received).
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Curiouser and curiouser,
Derek,
What model of phone are you using? When you say you set it to ‘full screen Radar’ to supplement the display on your tablet, do you mean using PAW Radar or are you saying you get SD Traffic Radar Full Screen on your android phone?
Graham / Bob,
I certainly don’t get a ‘Traffic’ option on the ‘SD logo’ menu on either of my Android devices - even with traffic showing close by on the chart display.
What is going on here ?
I will await SD’s reply with interest.
Regards All
Peter
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What model of phone are you using? When you say you set it to ‘full screen Radar’ to supplement the display on your tablet, do you mean using PAW Radar
I was going to ask this very question: if you want the full radar screen on your iPhone and can't get it because the phone is too small for the Sky Demon radar display, why not just use the PAW radar display?
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I'm the guy with the HTC One phone and 8" Huawei MediaPad T3 tablet. The tablet is running Android 7.0
I can't recall ever seeing the Radar screen, and it certainly doesn't show in Simulation Mode. There is no Traffic option when tapping the SD bubble. GrahamB suggests it is possible to spawn traffic in Simulation mode, and have it show on the Radar screen, but I can't see how.
I hope to fly tomorrow with a Co-pilot, so I should have time to experiment on my tablet with PAW connected.
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Hi Peter,
Trevor is using an Ipad 6th Generation Model MR7G2B/A running iPadOS 13.3. no Sim card GPS chip. SD connects through 'PilotAware' on the Third-Part Devices Tab in Setup.
I only flew two (very) short VFR sectors today but am certain that there was no PAW radar screen in the bottom right hand corner of the SD screen i.e at the end of the horizontal SD 'virtual radar' strip. Definitely airborne, in go flying mode and PAW providing the GPS signal to SD (Sorry for the pedantic terminology, I am trying to be precise).
I didn't have opportunity to fiddle with the vertical screening settings SD / PAW so that may still be a solution.
From other posters I am reassured that what I am seaching for does exist somehow / somewhere.
Regards to all,
Thanks,
Trevor
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What model of phone are you using? When you say you set it to ‘full screen Radar’ to supplement the display on your tablet, do you mean using PAW Radar
I was going to ask this very question: if you want the full radar screen on your iPhone and can't get it because the phone is too small for the Sky Demon radar display, why not just use the PAW radar display?
It (the full screen SD radar) worked on my old Samsung, don't think I've tried it on my newer Huawei p20. The SD radar is a bit more convenient to use instead of the web browser based access to get the PAW radar.
The PAW radar works on both tablet and phone.
I've been testing the Aircrew, so haven't used the PAW or SD (on phone) recently so can't be sure that the SD full screen radar hasn't been nobbled by one of the latest updates??
Deker
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Hi Deker,
Thanks for the info. I have started a thread over on the SkyDemon Forum to ask the developers for clarification on the current status of their Traffic Radar for both iOS and android users. Nothing heard yet, but hopefully they’ll get back to me once the festive season has past.
Best Regards
Peter
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Hi Bob / All,
Re the other part of your post, I have just run 3x simulations (without the tablet connected to PAW), one on my iPad and the others on my Android Nexus and Galaxy S5 phone. You can run the simulation after creating or opening a route, or if you just start simulation it runs a default flight near SD HQ.
To spawn aircraft, once you have started the simulation, just press and hold anywhere on the screen, which brings up the ‘What’s Here’ menu. Scroll to the bottom of this menu and you’ll find the ‘Spawn Aircraft’ option. You can then simply drag the aircraft into conflict with your own.
The SD Traffic Radar screen appears as soon as you spawn an aircraft. I then created a couple more aircraft and dragged them into conflict with my own. They appear on the Traffic Radar Screen as soon as they get inside its range (about 3 miles), together with SD on-screen visual and audio alerts in all 3 cases.
Hope this helps
Regards
Peter
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Hi Peter,
On my Ipad in simulation mode and selecting spawn from the what's here menu it works just as you describe -- with display of the PAW radar screen in the bottom right corner and, on the main SD screen, ac in conflict images and female voice ID with height and bearing messages.
Now to get it to work in the real aeroplane.
Regards,
Trevor
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Peter/Graham, thanks for the instructions on how to spawn aircraft. I have now tried this in Simulation Mode on both my phone & tablet.
On my phone, in normal Simulation Mode, the traffic option from the SD bubble doesn't appear, until I spawn another aircraft. When I do, tapping the traffic option takes me into a full screen radar display.
On my tablet, when I spawn an aircraft in Simulation Mode, the small radar screen appears on the bottom RIGHT of the display. Tapping this gives me the option of a one-shot increase in display size.
Trevor, whilst I was posting this response on the SD Forum, I see you have done something similar, and posted a response on here.
I'll see if both of my devices react the same way in a live environment if/when I fly tomorrow.
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Hi again Bob / All,
I just tried running the simulation again on my phone (Galaxy S5 with android 6.0.1 and SkyDemon 3.11.1.19238). After spawning aircraft, the Traffic Radar Screen appears as normal (as I would expect), with the one-tap enlargement option but no ‘Traffic’ option on the drop-down menu from the SkyDemon logo.
I then (reluctantly*) updated SkyDemon to the latest android version 3.13.1.18421 to check if this was a SkyDemon version issue. On re-running the simulation, however, the results are exactly the same - still no ‘Traffic’ option on the drop-down menu from the SkyDemon logo.
I am about to head off to the airfield so will have another go in flight and let you know how I get on.
Best Regards
Peter
* The reason for my ‘reluctance’ is that for PilotAware testing purposes I have been trying to keep one each of my android and iOS devices running on a version of SkyDemon which still displays ambiguity circles for Mode-S 3D (MLAT) Aircraft and after a recent iOS system update, the App Store over-ruled my preference settings and updated SD on my second iPad, leaving my phone as the only device which would still display Ambiguity Circles on SkyDemon. Fortunately, with the recent significant improvements in PAW OGN-R this is no longer significant..
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Peter,
You won’t get both the traffic display options on one device. It’s either-or.
Below a certain screen size you get the separate screen, above that you see the resizeable panel at the bottom of the main chart display.
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Hi Guys,
I can confirm Graham's note is correct, it's either/or, as seen on my phone & android devices.
The Radar screen appeared in the right hand lower corner of SD, immediately on connection to PAW, during my flight today. I'm not sure if this is due to an update, or if I've just missed it in the past, as I don't recall seeing it before, but pleased to confirm it is working as expected on Android.
(Un)fortunately, never got close enough to any other aircraft for them to appear on the Radar screen, during my flight North today, or during my weather diversion to Doncaster, but that's another story.... ???
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Thanks Bob,
Nothing significant to report from my flights today - East Fortune to Athey’s Moor and return. Results were in line with our combined findings.
Hopefully SkyDemon will reply to our posts on their forum with some clarification / corroboration after the holidays.
Best Regards to all and Happy New Year when it comes.
Peter
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Hi All,
Just received this update from Tim Dawson....
You only get any options regarding traffic once your receiver has actually received some traffic.
Whether you get the option to display a full-screen traffic radar or an embedded traffic radar depends entirely upon the size of screen used. On Android we currently require the screen to be over 2.5 inches wide but that's not a documented value and could change at any time.
At least this clarifies what we should be getting.
Regards
Peter
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Hi All,
As an experiment this afternoon, I downloaded an extra copy of SD onto my wife’s (smaller but newer) Android phone (a Samsung Galaxy A3 with a 4+” screen).
As I was unable to actually ‘go flying’, I only ran SD in Simulation Mode.
As per Tim Dawson’s advice, the ‘Traffic’ option didn’t appear in the SD Logo drop-down menu until after I spawned aircraft traffic, - when I was then able to bring up the Traffic Radar ‘full screen’ with appropriate visual and audio traffic reports (though of course neither of these would be available on this screen for Bearingless Traffic).
Best Regards
Peter
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Hi Team,
Having 'fiddled' with the vertical settings in PAW and SD I now have the radar screen visible on my iPad SD screen. And now I realise that one can toggle the size I can actually see it as well!
Thank you all, for the help and info.
Trevor
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Hi again Trevor,
Glad to hear you have now got the Traffic Radar working on your iPad - and we have all learned a bit more along the way. I’d call that a result! :D
Best Regards
Peter