PilotAware
British Forum => General Discussion => Topic started by: Admin on July 31, 2015, 07:13:22 pm
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Hi All
Some notes regarding the setup of various navigation tools
1. Common Setup
1.1 iPad/iPhone Software Access point
Ensure that the iPad/iPhone has connected to the Hotspot/SoftAP, this will be shown as
PilotAware-001122334455
Whereby the number 001122334455 will be unique to your installation, this number is required
for licensing, but must be connected as the WiFi source
1.2 iPad/iPhone CollisionAware
Once connected to the WiFi Hotspot, start CollisionAware running by sliding the connector.
Enter the value of your transponder into the ICAO field, this is transmitted by PilotAware, and also,
if you are running ADS-B, stops you from seeing yourself.
2. SkyDemon Specific
2.1 Setup->Connectivity_Options
Select FLARM
set the Air Connect Key to 6000
2.1 Setup->Navigation_Options
Go to the bottom of the options and alter 'Show within Vertically' to something like +-40000ft,
otherwise for testing purposes, you will see no traffic
2.2 Fly
and select 'Use Flarm'
3. RunwayHD
3.1 Settings->System
Enable Flarm mode
IP Address 192.168.1.1
Port 2000
Passcode 6001
Altitude Filter(+/-ft) 40000
4. EasyVFR
4.1 Menu->NavTools->Settings->FlarmSettings
WiFlyIPAddress: 192.168.1.1
WiFly Port: 2000
WiFly Pin-code: 6001
5. Sky-Map
Setup> Wireless Interface Setup
Enable Wi-Fi
IP address: 192.168.1.1
Port: 2000
Password: 6001
Setup> FLARM / Show ADSB traffic
6. Air Navigation Pro
configuration->sensors->FLARM-AirAvionics-AirConnect
Sensor: On
Pin Code: 6001
Thats about it for now
I will update when I get more questions
Thx
Lee
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Hello
I have tried these two WiFi dongles which claim to be RT5370, but I cannot see any WiFi Pilotaware hotspot on various Android devices. The boot sequence appears normal. Any idea what I am not doing?
Simon
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Hello
I have tried these two WiFi dongles which claim to be RT5370, but I cannot see any WiFi Pilotaware hotspot on various Android devices. The boot sequence appears normal. Any idea what I am not doing?
Simon
Hi Simon,
If you have a wired network, can you connect PilotAware to your wired network using the RJ45 connector
then open a browser from another machine which is on the same network to
http://192.168.1.1
please provide a screenshot or type the full line listed against the WiFi USB device
The Dongle must be the Ralink RT5370 device supporting SoftAP
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Simon,
Can you see the access point from another device, eg
WindowsPC
iOS device
If you are still stuck, please get in touch I have a few working WiFi dongles, I can sell at cost
Thx
Lee
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No I cannot see the Pilotaware hotspot from my PC wifi either. I will try and connect via the RJ45 cable and see if I can do a screen capture. The wifi dongle blue LEDS blink so something is working.
Simon
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Connected via the RJ45 network cable I could not see anything, but when I inserted the NOOBS microSD I saw raspberry pi 192.168.1.13 so I think my version of the Pilotaware software is corrupted. I am not sure how to get a screen capture, I have a HDMI port on my PC, but am not sure whether I can use it for this.
Simon
Yes you can connect the hdmi to your monitor, but I guess you are doing that already
Please connect a monitor and tell me if anything is reported, especially regarding 'hostapd'
You say 'could not see anything', can you explain what you mean ?
If you are expecting Pilotaware to be listed as a client on your router, that will not happen, the ip is static, not dynamic.
Apologies for earlier posting, I posted the wireless not wired IP
So just to double check, can you attempt to connect a web browser to
http://192.168.0.100
Thx
Lee
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I am in France and have a box to connect to the internet, which provides connections for a PC, a router and a satellite TV decoder. With those three plugged in, typing 192.168.1.1 displays the configuration, in my case Orange, and shows the three devices connected. If I unplug the router and plug in the Raspberry pi, it only detects its presence with the NOOBS microSD card. With the Pilotaware microSD card inserted, only the other two devices are shown. Typing 192.168.0.100 fails to find anything.
I don't know how to capture the booting sequence, which I can see with the HDMI cable connected to my TV, but it scrolls too fast for me to notice anything bad, although I have seen a few red fails.
Simon
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Hi Simon
Sorry for your troubles, lets take a little step back and think this through.
Can I confirm the following
1. The raspberry pi you are using is a PI B+, and not a PI 2 ?
2. The installation procedure as described in the guide was successful ?
3. Power is capable of more than 1.5amps
Thx
Lee
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Aha, this may be the problem. I bought a package from China which included a 3.5" screen and a plastic case. Looking at my order it specifies it as a Raspberry Pi 2 model B, which I thought was the same thing.
Lost in translation I think.
Simon
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Aha, this may be the problem. I bought a package from China which included a 3.5" screen and a plastic case. Looking at my order it specifies it as a Raspberry Pi 2 model B, which I thought was the same thing.
Lost in translation I think.
Simon
I am sorry to hear that Simon, if you want to double check I suggest the following
Firstly boot up NOOBS, then login to get a shell prompt and type the following
$ cat /proc/cpuinfo
On a PiB+ I get the following
processor : 0
model name : ARMv6-compatible processor rev 7 (v6l)
BogoMIPS : 2.00
Features : half thumb fastmult vfp edsp java tls
CPU implementer : 0x41
CPU architecture: 7
CPU variant : 0x0
CPU part : 0xb76
CPU revision : 7
Hardware : BCM2708
Revision : 0010
Serial : 00000000bb09bbc0
the PI 2 is a Quad Core, so I think the minimum difference will be that you will see a listing for 4 processors
Porting to the PI 2, is a TODO for me, but pretty busy with other issues at the moment
Please let me know if this is the issue.
Thx
Le
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Yup, it says it has an ARMv7 and for hardware a BCM 2709. I'll spend the winter famliiarising myself with this and maybe next year you'll have a tweak. I am in no hurry.
Bon courage for all your good work
Simon
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when i type http:/192.168.1.1 into my browser i get an EE screen asking for a user name and password. Any suggestions?
Gary
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You are connected to Pilotaware Wifi ?
The PAW IP address is 192.168.1.1, so when you connect to this address it should be served from PAW
Are you on Android or iOS ?
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iOS
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when i type http:/192.168.1.1 into my browser i get an EE screen asking for a user name and password. Any suggestions?
Gary
Are you sure you are connected to PilotAware ?
What you are reporting is what you get if you are connected to your home router
http://ee.co.uk/help/phones-and-device/home-broadband/bright-box-wireless-router/bright-box-getting-started/bright-box-router-update-broadband-username-and-password
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I'll check that. Thanks. Can't do it now having to travel to Twickenham for tomorrow.
Regard
Gary
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Has anyone got PilotAware displaying on Runway HD as suggested in the settings at the start of the thread?
The Settings menu in my version of RunwayHD has no Flarm setting.
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I asked them, and the ability to set Flarm will be available in version 3.3 (which is still in the approval by Apple black hole).
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I asked them, and the ability to set Flarm will be available in version 3.3 (which is still in the approval by Apple black hole).
Thank you.
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I'm in the same boat with EasyVFR. Hopefully the update to support PA will appear soon.
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Hi Lee,
thank you for the license code. The system works very well. Here is an additional information for the documentation: at Air Navigation Pro 5.8.1.3 also the IP address and the Port number must be entered.
Armin
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I've got 2 wifi dongles. Both can be seen as pilot aware on my mobile device (android or ios) but neither seems connect. The android one says 'obtaining IP' but never seems to manage it. Any ideas?
best regards
Tom
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I've got 2 wifi dongles. Both can be seen as pilot aware on my mobile device (android or ios) but neither seems connect. The android one says 'obtaining IP' but never seems to manage it. Any ideas?
best regards
Tom
Are there any log messages appearing on the console output ?
Thx
Lee
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I asked them, and the ability to set Flarm will be available in version 3.3 (which is still in the approval by Apple black hole).
Update now available on App Store.
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Hi Lee, thanks for the licence key. Success, I can see airliners passing overhead on Skydemon.
One question, I have a wifi only iPad, and connect to XGPS150 GPS via Bluetooth. I can't figure out how to connect to this and also the PilotAware via FLARM at the same time. Is it possible?
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Hi Lee, thanks for the licence key. Success, I can see airliners passing overhead on Skydemon.
One question, I have a wifi only iPad, and connect to XGPS150 GPS via Bluetooth. I can't figure out how to connect to this and also the PilotAware via FLARM at the same time. Is it possible?
Skydemon works in a flip/flop mode, either GPS is from internal (including BT GPS), or GPS (&traffic) is from external.
So in Flarm mode GPS is provided by PilotAware, the question is where is PilotAware getting its source ?
Either you are running CollisionAware, on your iPad, in which case the True GPS source is your XGPS150, or, you have a GPS dongle plugged into PilotAware, in which case this is providing the GPS data to PilotAware and consequently SkyDemon
Thx
Lee
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Has anyone got ADS-B traffic displaying on a Windows laptop running SD? I've got my laptop connected to PAW and I can go "flying". I'm seeing GPS data (height and position) in SD but I don't see any traffic. I suspect this is because it's all CAT above the limit set in the config but I can't for the life of me see where this can be changed on the PC version of SD.
All this just so I can have the ground system showing stuff when I'm flying the other unit.
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Apparently you need to save the settings to the cloud, somebody reprted how to do this on the forum
Thx
Lee
Ps found it
http://forum.pilotaware.com/index.php/topic,115.msg1631.html#msg1631
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I've got 2 wifi dongles. Both can be seen as pilot aware on my mobile device (android or ios) but neither seems connect. The android one says 'obtaining IP' but never seems to manage it. Any ideas?
best regards
Tom
I had the same problem. I had to manually set the IP I connected to the Pilot Aware wireless station as, e.g 192.168.1.10. Perhaps the DHL service is not configured. ?
Are there any log messages appearing on the console output ?
Thx
Lee
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That should have read DHCP service rather than DHL service.
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Apparently you need to save the settings to the cloud...
Thanks Lee, that fixed it.
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Still playing with the laptop connection, which works... some of the time.
After a while (30mins to an hour) the WiFi connection to PAW just seems to go slow - updates to the status page can take 30 seconds or more. Shortly afterwards SD reports that it has lost GPS data or that the Flarm link is down (I guess it times out). Sometimes I can re-establish the link but usually I have to restart PAW.
I've tried all the other obvious things - disconnecting/reconnecting the WiFi link, restarting SD, rebooting the PC. None of these have any effect, whereas rebooting PAW always gets the Flarm link up again. I am therefore tentatively concluding that it is the PAW access point that is going slow. What is odd is that I don't see this problem on my iPad.
This is obviously low priority - I can't imagine many people are trying to use SD on a laptop with PAW. It's just a rather odd effect that might point to an issue somewhere.
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That should have read DHCP service rather than DHL service.
Thanks Carl. I've connected on both android and ios now.
Tom
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Has anyone got Runway HD to work? The instructions in the first page don't help unless I'm missing where to enter the code and password. I'm connected to the unit but runway HD tells me I've failed to connect.
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Has anyone got Runway HD to work? The instructions in the first page don't help unless I'm missing where to enter the code and password. I'm connected to the unit but runway HD tells me I've failed to connect.
In my early version of RunwayHD system->flarm
Thx
Lee
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Has anyone got Runway HD to work? The instructions in the first page don't help unless I'm missing where to enter the code and password. I'm connected to the unit but runway HD tells me I've failed to connect.
Have you downloaded the new version 3.3
In that case go into settings and there is a Flarm Setting half way down.
Other than secreting Flarm on and then PilotAware option I did little else.
Have you the GPS dongle in the Pilot Aware or are you using Collision Aware?
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That's what I've done and using the app.
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That's what I've done and using the app.
Are you on Android or iOS ?
Somebody mentioned that DHCP was not working for some Android tablets, and hence the unit did not get an IP address, can you check ?
if not, manually assign an ip of 192.168.1.10
Also can you browse to the mine web server ?
http://192.168.1.1
Thx
Lee
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I didn't even seem to need to select an operating system, it just started to extract PilotAware automatically. I thought everything had worked absolutely fine, as I was able to see the wifi hotspot. However it disappeared before I had a chance to connect. Now with a monitor attached it's not finding the wifi dongle. The dongle was really hot when I touched it, have a most likely got a dodgy one?
It was one mentioned in the recommended topic: "MINI WIFI USB WIRELESS ADAPTER DONGLE 150MBPS LAN NETWORK RASPBERRY PI 2 RT5370"
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Runway HD sorted, updated the pilotaware client software and problem solved.
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Following several problems I have finally managed to get my system up and running so I thought I would share some of my experience with others
If you buy a SD memory card from EBay test it with a free program h2testw - if it fails once trash it but always test more than once.
Format the card with formatSD and remember to set the formater with the correct parameters and upload the latest version of the pilot aware software ( it has the latest bug fixes and works well).
I have found it is best to boot up for the first time either outside or somewhere where the system can get a signal and have a monitor on the raspberry pi so you can see what's happening.
Start up the pi and watch the screen it should finish with the immortal word OK.
Next it depends on if you are using android or iPad
Android
Download the app pilotaware, with the wifi option in the system settings to pilotaware-xxxxxxxx (where xxxxxxx is you serial number)
Start up the new app and after a few minutes the app will start displaying Lat long etc
And there you are - just start up you nav program and set the flarm setting and you should be another winner.
iPad
Lee has already provided the info on this, but really it is about the same down load the app collision aware with the wifi option in the system settings to pilotaware-xxxxxxxx (where xxxxxxx is you serial number) Start the app and there should be a message at the top of the screen saying using collision aware
And there you are - just start up you nav program and set the flarm setting and you should be another winner.
aerial problems
While my system is working it is a bit shy of the 1090Mhz reception and I have decided this is down to the antenna so I have ordered a ADS-B Antenna 1090Mhz MCX Plug 2.5dbi gains Magnet +MCX Jack to SMA Jack Adapter from eBay item no:201385927239 and I will report on how it goes.
May I take this opertunaty in thanking everyone for the help I have received in building the unit and it great to eye how the whole idea is expanding
Iang
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I have an issue on boot whereby it appears to go OK, decides it can find a RT5730 Wireless adapter then goes through a script where repeated communication with "SER-ARF" is attempted. I did have an ARF Chip installed but took it off as my soldering was crap, and now it won't generate a wireless hotspot.
Using the latest release as well.
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I have an issue on boot whereby it appears to go OK, decides it can find a RT5730 Wireless adapter then goes through a script where repeated communication with "SER-ARF" is attempted. I did have an ARF Chip installed but took it off as my soldering was crap, and now it won't generate a wireless hotspot.
Using the latest release as well.
Hi
Please ignore the SER-ARF messages, it will attempt to talk to an ARF, and eventually give up, that is not an issue.
Q1. So to confirm, the issue you have is that you do not have a Wireless Hostspot appearing ?
Q2. From your description, it is unclear as to whether it previously generated a hotspot, and now no longer generates a hotspot, can you please clarify ?
Q3. Can you let us know where you purchased your RT5370, please post a link if available ?
Q4. Which USB slot is the RT5370 inserted ?
Thx
Lee
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Hi Lee
No hotspot appearing
It did do - once - but I have been unable to provoke another one since
Think it was on Amazon, will dig out and revert but I have had it working in a different version of Linux - I'll try it on my laptop tomorrow
Can't remember which slot, is it specific?
It does give up but then the boot process hangs, I've left it for 10min and nothing happened
Screenshot follows shortly...
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Skyhigh
You say you had it working on a different version of Linux,
I am presuming you had it workingvas a client ?
What we require is a soft access point, not client
Thx
Lee
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I'm having similar problem as keithvinning had some time ago. Boots up as far as the License Fail message. My iPad gets the wifi from Pilotaware successfully. I have typed into Safari https://192.168.1.1 to enter the code but it says 'unable to connect due no server. However on one attempt it did connect and I entered the code given in brackets next to' Pilotaware' on the screen. But the License Fail message remained. Now it will not connect again. I'm using the stated hardware and Runway HD with Flarm On and also the Collision Aware enabled although that just remains at Connect...
Any advice please ?
Thanks Tony
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Hi Tony
you mention connecting to
https://192.168.1.1
This should be
http://192.168.1.1
This is not a secure http, please double check that first, then re-post again
Thx
Lee
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Re booting problem:
Thank you Lee, my mistake should of course be http:// . I can now log in via Safari. I get to the Configure screen and have entered the code in brackets and saved. However I am still getting the 'License Fail' messages. I tried re-booting via the iPadconfigure screen but the Raspberry again stops at the License Fail message?
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Re booting problem:
Thank you Lee, my mistake should of course be http:// . I can now log in via Safari. I get to the Configure screen and have entered the code in brackets and saved. However I am still getting the 'License Fail' messages. I tried re-booting via the iPadconfigure screen but the Raspberry again stops at the License Fail message?
Hi Tony
OK, if this still fails it is one of two issues
1. You supplied an incorrect code for the license generation
2. You have typed the License code incorrectly
The characters ar all HEXADECIMAL, and should all be in the range 0-9 A-F, can you confirm this ?
I looked in the database, but could not find your email address, did you use a different email address for the license generation ?
Thx
Lee
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Thanks Lee - I've got the code in correctly - didn't appreciate I had to obtain one from you.
The Raspberry now accepts the code but it now fails at SER-ARF. Tries to connect at 9600 baud then 57600 baud. Last message: 'Configuration Failed',
Is this because I have not got the ARF installed or do I need to do something to disable the ARF connection attempt ?
Many thanks for the assistance Tony
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Thanks Lee - I've got the code in correctly - didn't appreciate I had to obtain one from you.
The Raspberry now accepts the code but it now fails at SER-ARF. Tries to connect at 9600 baud then 57600 baud. Last message: 'Configuration Failed',
Is this because I have not got the ARF installed or do I need to do something to disable the ARF connection attempt ?
Many thanks for the assistance Tony
Hi Tony,
This is fine, it will continue in ADS-B Only mode, regardless of the missing ARF.
You should now be able to connect SyDemon/RunwayHD/EasyVFR ....
Thx
Lee
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Thanks Lee - I've got the code in correctly - didn't appreciate I had to obtain one from you.
The Raspberry now accepts the code but it now fails at SER-ARF. Tries to connect at 9600 baud then 57600 baud. Last message: 'Configuration Failed',
Is this because I have not got the ARF installed or do I need to do something to disable the ARF connection attempt ?
Many thanks for the assistance Tony
Hi Tony,
I had the same problem (Configuration Failed) on one of my units, and traced it to a faulty/damaged ARF board
Replace it with a new one, and it worked first time.
However, I think Lee's advice would be to wait until the suspension of ARF fitting is resolved before replacing it.
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However, I think Lee's advice would be to wait until the suspension of ARF fitting is resolved before replacing it.
absolutely.
Thx
Lee
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Hi Admin, I've entered the configuration licence code and installed PilotAware Android on my Nexus 7 tablet. The Nexus 7 is using Android version 4.4.4. My SkyDemon version is 3.4.2.20312. I've set the connectivity option to FLARM and air connect key is 6000. However when I select “GO FLYING” I get the following warning “Failed to establish a connection with the Butterfly Connect unit”. Do you have any advice on what I can do to rectify this failure condition?
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Not sure Im afraid, i wonder if any other android users can comment.
I recall somebody mentioned an issue with an old version of skydemon, once they updated everything worked
Thx
Lee
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I have the latest SkyDemon version 3.4.2 installed, which was released on 30 September 2015. What I need to get is advice on how to set-up the Android tablet software from the beginning.
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OK, I updated to the latest software release - it now gets that far but then goes to "SER-TRX Configuration Failed after 6 goes at 9600 Baud and 11 goes at 57600 Baud"...
Any ideas?
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OK, I updated to the latest software release - it now gets that far but then goes to "SER-TRX Configuration Failed after 6 goes at 9600 Baud and 11 goes at 57600 Baud"...
Any ideas?
Do you have a transceiver installed ?
If not this is expected to fail, but is not a problem
Thx
Lee
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This was only with the Wireless chip and a TV Tuner installed.
Could be a dead TV tuner?
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This was only with the Wireless chip and a TV Tuner installed.
Could be a dead TV tuner?
Why do you think the TV tuner is dead ?
The Error messages you reported earlier are expected, because you do not have a Transceiver in the PI.
That is fine, it should still pick up ADS-B traffic.
So just resetting a moment.
What is the problem you are seeing ?
1. Can you connect to the PilotAware Hotspot ?
2. Have you successfully entered the license key ?
3. Can you connect SkyDemon/RunwayHD or whatever Nav tool you are using ?
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At last working on xcsoar and free trial Sky Demon.
Arf received on comms receiver as a click every 2
seconds on 869.4 WFM.
I will test for range asap.
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Two photos of my aware screen.
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Second picture file to large problem
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Skydemon free trial. Aware unit in loft window, home made 1090 aerial.
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can I have a licence key my address is 0013EFBO14E3
I have and account / memb email of peter.terry@db.com (work)
but I am at home on.. peter@pcterry.freeserve.co.uk for the next 2 wks
you will have to send it to this email, as my work one is secured and only accessable from work...
thanks
Peteridms
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Enter your MAC address here for a licence key.
http://pilotaware.lode.co.uk/palink2.php (http://pilotaware.lode.co.uk/palink2.php)
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Enter your MAC address here for a licence key.
http://pilotaware.lode.co.uk/palink2.php (http://pilotaware.lode.co.uk/palink2.php)
The above link will not work I'm afraid, you will need to be logged in to the pilotaware forum, and you need to request from here :-
http://forum.pilotaware.com/index.php/topic,156.0.html
Thx
Lee
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OK, the new release has helped matters a little. It runs through the boot OK and recognises all the devices plugged in, however the last few lines of code are:
Error: Unnsported Platform is this a PiB+?
Expected ARMv6-compatible, got HW=ARMv7
ARMv7
ARMv7
ARMv7
Raspbian GNU/Linux 7 pilot3i-rpi tty1
pilot3i-rpi login:
Further digging would tend to suggest I have a Raspberry Pi 2B+ or somesuch...guess it's not compatible?
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Hi
I am sorry to say that the PI 2 is not supported yet, there are issues with the wifi driver.
Can I ask if you were unaware the requirement was for a PI B+, or did you buy the PI 2 by mistake ?
I am a little concerned the documentation may not be clear enough
Thx
Lee
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Lee,
first of all may I thank you for producing an excellent product; hopefully it will provide another tool for pilots to fly safe.
Yesterday I received all the bits (less GPS dongle) to set up my pilotaware system. This I have done as described in the manual, however my initial boot up does not seem to work; i.e I don't get any final message to say the installation is complete. To check it wasn't the Pi I just loaded NOOBS and it worked fine. Having reloaded PilotAware, at the moment it gets to a certain point showing all the script and then I just get the message 'Licence Fail for eth0 xx:xx:xx:xx and Licence Fail for wlan0 xx:xx:xx:xx' (where xx:xx:xx:xx is a MAC address) scrolling up the screen.
Any suggestions as to what the problem might be. I have tried searching the other postings but can't seem to find an solution.
Many thanks
Bob
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Any suggestions as to what the problem might be. I have tried searching the other postings but can't seem to find an solution.
Many thanks
Bob
Hi Bob,
Which instructions are you following ?
I recommend the latest document described here
http://forum.pilotaware.com/index.php/topic,231.0.html
Thx
Lee
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Skydemon free trial. Aware unit in loft window, home made 1090 aerial.
Hi Eric. That looks impressive. What sort of antenna did you construct? Cheers. John
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Having reloaded PilotAware, at the moment it gets to a certain point showing all the script and then I just get the message 'Licence Fail for eth0 xx:xx:xx:xx and Licence Fail for wlan0 xx:xx:xx:xx' (where xx:xx:xx:xx is a MAC address) scrolling up the screen.
This is correct. This is what it should do. The next step is to request a licence with this MAC address (recommended to use the ethernet one now) from the automated server linked from the forum. You'll receive the licence via e-mail. You then connect your tablet to the PI Wifi, and go to 192.168.1.1. Go into Configure and you can enter the licence number and then go down to "Save" at the bottom.
As for antennae, I have a home made coaxial colinear in the attic for ADS-B reception. I get quite a lot of traffic, living about equidistant between Heathrow and Gatwick! :)
Something I found yesterday, I ordered a cheap external antenna to try using with the ARF, but I think it's the sort Lee already tried with no better results...but I noticed the bases were the same as the antenna given with the DVB dongle. I unscrewed mine and screwed the other antenna in, and it provided much better ADS-B reception than the stock DVB antenna. The one I bought was this one:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/191458437759?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/191458437759?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT)
Not as good as the coaxial colinear though!
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Having reloaded PilotAware, at the moment it gets to a certain point showing all the script and then I just get the message 'Licence Fail for eth0 xx:xx:xx:xx and Licence Fail for wlan0 xx:xx:xx:xx' (where xx:xx:xx:xx is a MAC address) scrolling up the screen.
This is correct. This is what it should do. The next step is to request a licence with this MAC address (recommended to use the ethernet one now) from the automated server linked from the forum. You'll receive the licence via e-mail. You then connect your tablet to the PI Wifi, and go to 192.168.1.1. Go into Configure and you can enter the licence number and then go down to "Save" at the bottom.
As for antennae, I have a home made coaxial colinear in the attic for ADS-B reception. I get quite a lot of traffic, living about equidistant between Heathrow and Gatwick! :)
Something I found yesterday, I ordered a cheap external antenna to try using with the ARF, but I think it's the sort Lee already tried with no better results...but I noticed the bases were the same as the antenna given with the DVB dongle. I unscrewed mine and screwed the other antenna in, and it provided much better ADS-B reception than the stock DVB antenna. The one I bought was this one:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/191458437759?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/191458437759?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT)
Not as good as the coaxial colinear though!
I came to the same conclusion and have the same whip on order.
Regarding home made aerials I was hoping to start a folder up on the pilotaware site as there are some interesting articals on the web to make you own 1090Mhz aerial - have a look at
http://forum.flightradar24.com/threads/6359-Making-an-inexpensive-1090MHz-ADS-B-collinear-antenna
or
http://forum.flightradar24.com/threads/8596-3-EASY-ANTENNAS-FOR-BEGINNERS
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This is quite interesting too:
www.rtl-sdr.com/adsb-aircraft-radar-with-rtl-sdr/
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Added a U-blox7 to my system. Works very well, much simpler to
connect to Samsung tab.
If I switch on without connecting to my Samsung tab will
it radiate, to run as a base station for overflight tests?
May I also add my thanks to all the team who must spend countless
hours making Pilotaware possible.
I have a problem updating my micro sd card because I use Windows 10.
The formatter wil not load. If I format with Windows10 I can download the
updated version but it will not load.
Thanks again.
Thanks
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I have a problem updating my micro sd card because I use Windows 10.
The formatter wil not load. If I format with Windows10 I can download the
updated version but it will not load.
Eric
I use Windows 10 with the formatted loaded just fine, works a treat first time I used it but will not format properly, is there a newer version? No Can not fine one to support Windows 10.
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Thanks Richard. The format4 downloads ok. But will not
format the micro sd card.
I will sort it out indue course, thanks
EricC
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EricC
I must apologize I have now had the same problem Please see link http://forum.pilotaware.com/index.php/topic,235.0.html
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Hi
I have just completed building the ADSB only system and booted everything up following the installation guide by Ian
All goes fine up to inputting the licence No and I then reboot.
The system messages start again on the screen attached to the PAW but after a few seconds a message appears on my tablet saying "connection failure" "the connection to the server timed out" the onscreen message continue untill it gets to "starting Pilot aware server" then reverts to the licence fail messages repeating continuously.
it appears thet the wifi connection to the tablet is broken during the reboot but re-establishes itself as soon as it reaches the licence fail messages on the monitor.
I also note that during the reboot that the light on the wifi dongle goes out.
Any ideas what I am doing wrong. I have checked and re-checked the licence code issued in the email.
Regards
Alan
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Alan,
When you reboot after entering your licence key, do you save it first with the button on the bottom of the screen?
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Hi Richard
Thanks for responding but I've just spotted my dyslexic error. I had reversed the letters at the end of my Mac Address when requesting the licence. I have got a new licence code and I think all is well with the world. I have spotted my first aircraft leaving and arriving at EGPH. I'm about 3.4nm SE of the airport and am now seeing traffic from my bedroom window including 1 at high altitude beyond Dundee. Lower stuff tends to come and go but I assume that's down to being indoors and pissisting down. Only using the antenna that came with the DVB-T dongle.
Great job every one involved with this! ;D
Alan
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Ok Alan. Wellcome to the club. Have fun.
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Hi All,
Just got my PilotAware (ADS-B) up and running for the first time. It took me about 2 hours from the start of the build and most of that was taken up re-reading the build and software installation guides, downloading the card formatter, formatting the micro SD card, downloading the PAW software, transferring it onto the card and finally installing it onto the Pi and waiting for a GPS fix, with the PAW sitting on end on my bedroom window and the aerial mag mounted onto a can of beans to keep it up clear of the window frame and stop it falling over ( Heinz definitely recommended).
The 'physical' build was as easy as Pi (sorry....!).
The only hiccup came after connecting to the PilotAware Wi-Fi. When I tried to connect to the PilotAware configuration page by typing '192.168.1.1' into my browser as per Ian's Software Installation and Setup Guide, Safari presumably automatically prefixed this with '....www.' and told me it couldn't connect as it was not connected to the internet. Fortunately, I realised what was happening and after re-typing it with the prefix 'http://' i.e. http://192.168.1.1 - BINGO! I was in. Just a few minutes more to add my aircraft's Hex Address and the PilotAware License Key and I'm now sitting downstairs in my living room watching airliners coming and going from EGPH - about 5 or 6 miles away. A very happy bunny!!
Thank you very much to Lee and the rest of you for all your development work.
Best Regards
Peter
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The Safari problem was brought to Ian's attention at the show, and he's going to update the instructions.
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Hi Paul.
Yes it was me that advised Ian of the problem on Saturday. Great to meet you by the way. A real pleasure chatting face to face with so many previously only known from the forum.
Made visiting the show all the way from Edinburgh well worth while !!
Best regards
Peter
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Well that looks to work! First SD card gave "error resizing" error but second one just worked - reception of commercial aircraft give ranges far more than i will ever need, with an indoor antenna over 20nm. Remarkable.
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Yes it was me that advised Ian of the problem on Saturday. Great to meet you by the way.
Good to meet you too Peter.
A real pleasure chatting face to face with so many previously only known from the forum. Made visiting the show all the way from Edinburgh well worth while !!
Blimey!
Meeting people is mostly what these shows are about. I got about 20 mins to scoot around the show at the end, and even then it was mostly to say hello to the stand holders I knew but hadn't said hello to! :)
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Well all the bits have arrived for an ADSB only build - so hopefully I'll be reporting back soon with 100% success :)
One question - it may seem overkill but when I go flying both me & my co-pilot who I usually fly with take our Nexus 7s with skydemon - can we connect both tablets to the PilotAware application? Is it just a matter of doing the same configuration on both?
Cheers
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One question - it may seem overkill but when I go flying both me & my co-pilot who I usually fly with take our Nexus 7s with skydemon - can we connect both tablets to the PilotAware application? Is it just a matter of doing the same configuration on both?
Oh yes !
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One question - it may seem overkill but when I go flying both me & my co-pilot who I usually fly with take our Nexus 7s with skydemon - can we connect both tablets to the PilotAware application? Is it just a matter of doing the same configuration on both?
Oh yes !
Oh yes indeed!!
Worked first time - two Skydemons sat in my kitchen in Bolton (raining too much to go in the garden so we can only see out to the North West) and we are happily seeing commercial traffic to a range of around 30 miles - Just stunning!
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But perhaps I spoke too soon ...... Powered the unit down then tried to restart, Pi seems to start OK, wifi connection is there but no activity at all on the GPS dongle and Skydemon just reports "Seeking GPS satellites"
Is there any particular procedure for shutting down? I just pulled the power.
Unfortunately I don't have an HDMI monitor to see what may be happening
Any
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If it's still in the kitchen, I suspect your GPS dongle needs to get a better view of the sky, they can sometimes take a while to get a fix.
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But perhaps I spoke too soon ...... Powered the unit down then tried to restart, Pi seems to start OK, wifi connection is there but no activity at all on the GPS dongle and Skydemon just reports "Seeking GPS satellites"
Is there any particular procedure for shutting down? I just pulled the power.
Unfortunately I don't have an HDMI monitor to see what may be happening
Any
The first time it boots I think (the GPS) can take upto 15 minutes to get the ephemeris data,
did it run for this long with a good view of the sky ?
Also, go to the web page (on your tablet) to see what is reported from the GPS device
http://192.168.1.1
There is an sntry for GPS/USB
Thx
Lee
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Thanks Ian & Lee - On initial boot the GPS with a fix came up very quickly after the wifi connection was established, but it had taken about 15-20 minutes to do that boot.
It is now working - just my impatience I think together with a combination of being indoors with a limited view of the sky, perhaps just lucky 3 hours ago with the alignment of the satellites in view?
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My first boot with previously built card, but new GPS took a few seconds to get a lock. The second boot took about 5-10 minutes. Both indoors. I guess we were both lucky, though I was expecting a long boot time, so was not surprised.
The GPS dongle also has an LED, assuming you got the recommended kit, which gives a regular green bleat when it has a lock.
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Hi,
My PAW was put together using parts detailed on the recommended list.
Booted and worked first time, after carefully following the excellent set up instructions.
Android device has XCSoar TE loaded for testing the PAW and ADS-B.
Very good range, receiving commercial aircraft 30miles+ and interesting to get confirmation using Flight Radar24. Antenna was sat on the bedroom window ledge.
Using an inline USB ammeter, this indicates a current draw of ~650mA.
Hopefully get chance this weekend to do some airborne testing.
Just waiting for the PAW RF shield to become available 8)
ATB
Deker,
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Like Deker I built the PAW with parts from the recommended list. I got the RPi from RS and found the rest of the bits on Amazon.
Booted up without any problems and I was able to see traffic using XCSoarTE on my Nexus 7 tablet, with the unit placed next to a downstairs window.
I had some fun and games re-formatting the SDcard before installing the Dec 5th update, but managed it in the end.
I managed a quick airbourne test on 17th and was picking up a lot more traffic. I had the unit in the baggage compartment (PA38) and DVB-T aerial 'hung' from one of the re-inforcing struts by its magnetic base.
I've put my name down for one of the new RF modules, although looking at the lenght of the list perhaps I should have had my parents put my name down at birth :-)
Brooklands
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I've put my name down for one of the new RF modules, although looking at the lenght of the list perhaps I should have had my parents put my name down at birth :-)
Speaking to Dave S at the show, the company that are manufacturing the board have some incredible rate of production, I seem to remember a maximum of something like 5000 a week, so I wouldn't worry too much!
Though I think the claim that every one will be tested in a PAW to make sure it's working before being sent out might be a bit of a bottleneck! ;) :o
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Hi All,
I wonder if I can get some help. Very first time booting and I have a couple of issues, and the boot sequence hangs at "pilot3i-rpi login:"
I don't have a licence yet as I could not get that far in the instructions.
So, I have: -
"[....] Starting advanced IEE 802.11 management: hostapdSegmentation fault failed!"
"[warn] Kernal lacks cgroups or memory controller not available, not starting cgroups. ... (warning)."
"[FAIL] startpar: service(s) returned failure: rc.local ... failed!"
Any ideas where to start troubleshooting?
Thanks
Jon
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Hi Jon,
Sounds like an issue with the wifi dongle, can you post a link to the wifi dongle you obtained ?
Thx
Lee
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Hi Lee,
I had a few kicking around my Raspberry Pi box... I have tried it with:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/CSL-Raspberry-automated-connection-ultra-compact/dp/B00VFWCFXW/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1454011441&sr=8-2&keywords=csl+150
and
a non specific one, that I can not find anywhere and probably came with some cheap module I got from China, on another project.
Neither worked, and both showed exactly the same error.
I will order another, to try, any ones you recommend?
Regards
Jon
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Hi Jon
There is a thread here dedicated to the hardware suitability
http://forum.pilotaware.com/index.php/topic,110.0.html
The WiFi needs to be the RT5370 chipset
This is described in the construction manual
Thx
Lee
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Houston i have a problem :o
Raspberry PI 2B
noo elec nano 2 adsb, Raksoy 5370 wifi dongle (substituted an asus model with wrong hardware)
8gb sandisk ultra micro sc hcI
power from tp link 2 amp socket, and red light on the MB.
the case has a fan running from leg 2&3
PROBLEM: i belive i follow the software installation to the letter, but when it comes to first boot, the green light blinks a few times and then either the green light stays on permanent or it goes out, but with no wifi coming up on my iPad.
im going nuts as this has happened abt 15 times now, and i have no idea of what im doing wrong.
im doing the installation from a mac book air, but should that have any influence ?
i have tried with the stratux version, and it runs smoothly.
Suggestions and help is most wellcome asap
you are most welcome to write me on peter@schou.be
best regards
Peter Kehlet Schou, grumman AA5 flyer.
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Hi Peter,
Have you connected a monitor to the HDMI output to get the installation / boot messages,
this is the first thing to try.
PROBLEM: i belive i follow the software installation to the letter, but when it comes to first boot, the green light blinks a few times and then either the green light stays on permanent or it goes out, but with no wifi coming up on my iPad.
If I understand you correctly, the self installation has completed, but the boot fails.
Are you confident the self installation completed successfully ?
I really need to see the monitor messages from installation and boot.
Thx
Lee
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THAT was fast :-)
it is my impression that the boot sequence stops during initial start up (when the card is first inserted and power turned on.)
what is the bare minimum that the start up can be performed with (ie the wifi dongle must be present of cause, but is that also the case for the ads-b receiver ?
im just now making a total format and installion of the the 8 mb ram card and then installing the software, connecting to a screen with hdmi, how do i make screen dumps to you without a keyboard ?
brg
Peter
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Hi Again Lee
the unpacking stops about 50% done with the following
lot3i-rpi login license fail for eth0 b8:27:eb:95:46:81
and the repeats and the green light goes out
does this help ?, if not can i take a log from the memory card and send to you ?
brg
Peter
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Hi Peter,
This sounds like correct behavior.
The green light goes out because there is no further disk activity.
At this point, are you saying that there is no WiFi hotspot available PilotAware-xxxxxxxxxxxx ?
That would indicate an incompatibility with the WiFi dongle, although you say it is a Ralink RT5370 ?
Thx
Lee
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hi Again Lee
can i have an email address please, ill send you some pics
brg
Peter
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this is the description of the wifi dongle
Racksoy Professional Ralink 5370 Wifi Dongle USB 2.0 Wireless 802.11n USB Wifi Adapter Compatible For Raspberry Pi, Windows 2000/XP/VISTA/Win7/8/Linux 2.4 or above
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Hi Peter,
(thanks for the screenshots)
The boot looks correct.
Do you see a wireless Hotspot called PilotAware-B827EB954681 ?
Thx
Lee
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hi Lee
Nope, no hotspot what so ever, but i tested the wifi dongle on my pc, and it shows up all right as a wifi, however it requires login ?
but when in the pi i can't see it on my iPad mini 4
is there an error log on the card i can send you ?
brg
peter
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Hi Peter,
hi Lee
Nope, no hotspot what so ever, but i tested the wifi dongle on my pc, and it shows up all right as a wifi, however it requires login ?
but when in the pi i can't see it on my iPad mini 4
is there an error log on the card i can send you ?
brg
peter
I am a little confused ....
but i tested the wifi dongle on my pc, and it shows up all right as a wifi
How did you test the WiFi Dongle, as a Client or as a Soft Access Point ?
These are 2 different modes, which require different configuration.
however it requires login ?
This really confuses me, what requires a login, and from where ?
Thx
Lee
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sorry let me try to clarify (english is not my native language, im Danish :-)
i normally work on a mac book air, but i couldn't see the wifi dongle when i inserted it into the mac usb port. i then tried to insert it on a PC i have, and i could see it there, but when i double clicked it i got a request for a password.
(could it be because it works as a access point ?) (be aware it is connected to the pc via an usb hub
when trying to connect to the usb wifi on win 10 (it has the name said-CHkk) and i double click it im asked to type in the security key for the network :-) it also states that i can press a button on the router ??
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Raspberry PI 2B
This isn't guaranteed to work. A B+ is specified in the hardware requirements. Over the past few months some people have got Pi 2s working, but I'm not sure the current status. I believe Lee put in some code to make it more likely to work, but the PAW is generally designed to work on the B+.
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could it be the fan on pin 2&3 that is causing it ?
brg
Peter
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Not sure, but the Pi 2 isn't supported, only the Pi 1 B+.
http://forum.pilotaware.com/index.php/topic,350.0.html (http://forum.pilotaware.com/index.php/topic,350.0.html)
http://forum.pilotaware.com/index.php/topic,185.msg3930.html (http://forum.pilotaware.com/index.php/topic,185.msg3930.html)
http://forum.pilotaware.com/index.php/topic,43.msg583.html (http://forum.pilotaware.com/index.php/topic,43.msg583.html)
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hi Paul
ok, ill try to return the pib 2, but the production is already ver. 4 (pib- b, 2b, 3b) eventually i expect that the pib b will discontinue, what then.
is there any chance that there will be software in the near future that will support 2b ?, as returning the units cost almost the same a buying them :-(
pleased to hear and all the best.
brg
Peter
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Hi Peter, Paul
Actually the pi 2B is fine I have now been using this for all my dev work, there was a race issue with the networking startup which is now resolved, so I think this is un related
Thx
Lee
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hi Lee
Thanks, that was abt 2 secs before i ordered an old version :-)
So any suggestions to what we do from here, (or do you want to knock if of for tonight :-.)
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Good morning Lee
A few questions if I may
Can you from the pics I send you confirm that the wifi chip is the correct one ?
Can you try to send me an earlier version of the software
Is it possible to log the boot sequence so I can give you the complete log ?
any suggestions ?
Brg
Peter
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Houston, first problem solved, unfortunately i don't know how :-(
On a hunch i disconnected the fan, attached the wifi dongle and ads-b, added power, and viola, there she was my lovely wifi connection.
now the password has been added on the IP.
Only issue right now is that when the name gps software is running Skydemon will not connect via FLARM (seeking GPS remains on), if i just connect as usual my Ipad Mini 4 connects like a charm, have an idea that it is the NMEA GPS that prioritizes the gps output ?????, if input please provide :-)
thanks for what you have done so far !
all the best
Peter
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Hi Peter,
First thing to do now you have WiFi, go to the web server in PilotAware to get the home/status page
so connect to the PilotAware hotspot, then browse to
http://192.168.1.1
Please provide a screenshot of what you see, if it does not make sense
Then click the configure tab to go to the configure page, on this page click the checkbox for NMEA, and click save
now go to the logging tab, this will show you all of the messages being provided by the GPS dongle
I am guessing that your dongle has not yet loaded the ephemeris data - on first time boot, this can take upto 15 mins,
and needs a good view of the satellites
Thx
Lee
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Thanks lee,
i do not have a gps dongle, relying on my iPad building gps
does that change anything ?, or should i order one ?
brg
Peter
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Hi Peter,
Our recommendation is for a vk-172 Glonass GPS dongle, these work very well.
As an alternative, you can try NMEAgps which is a GPS sharing app you can run on your iPad/iPhone
https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/nmea-gps/id590868529?mt=8
Settings
NMEA Wi-Fi SERVER
(ACTIVE)
Protocol Server - UDP no broadcast
Server Port - 2001
Target Ip for UDP - 192.168.1.1
Thx
Lee
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So, the pilotaware shows traffic when going via ip 192.168.1.1
But turning on nmea gps, and then Skydemon, does not
If i use nmea gps as downloaded it activates the gps, and shows my geo location
If I follow your changes the bar showing the updates goes red, and no connection to the gps
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So, piloteAWARE works with a pi 2b
If you are going to do it without a gps dongle on an iPad, get the NMEA gps app. by alessandro Trebbi, load it and correct it as per Lee's comments further down in this thread.
a bit deceiving the app will show a red status bar, but when you leave the app to start Skydemon, it will continue in the background.
Start skydemon, and remember to set the altitude for objects to +40000,
let it be for a while and make sure that the seeking for gps goes out, (on my setup it seems a bit slower on the gps data.... but it may just be my impatience :-)
good luck everyone and Thanks Lee and Paul for comments and assistance
now comes the serious part, getting the plane out of the shop and trying to locate some gliders :-)
Blue Skies
Peter
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Gliders? Have you got a Flarm unit connected as well?
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Hi Ian
My mistake, I thought that having to use the flarm setting in skyddemon it also included flarm, but reading up on the subject I can see that is unfortunately not the case
Brg
Peter
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Pilot Aware could incorporate Flarm traffic, however the encoding for Flarm signals is copyrighted. IIRC Flarm declined to be involved as it would effect their business model.
Sad, but a fact of life.
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sad, I have twice had gliders shoot over me from behind in near miss situations, and pre warning would have taken some of the excitement out, further it would have enabled me to file near miss reports to German and Danish authorities as I would have been able to document it, both times I was so shocked that I didn't get a registration number 👿
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Ian, question if i may, even though the flarm transmittal is encoded in a propritary fashion it does not mean that the transmittal can not be detected, would it not be possible to register the transmittal, and display a warning that a transmittal was detected but without name and range ?, This Way at least we would be prewarned that something was out there !
Brg
Peter
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My Zaon MRX probably saved my bacon several years ago when I could so easily have had a mid-air with a glider close to Cranfield en-route to Duxford. Finally spotted it about 200metres away at same level and on my RHS. Now I don't know whether the Zaon could detect Flarm or whether the glider was carrying a Mode C transponder, but it did alert me that something was there and it was devilishly hard to spot in the overcast conditions.
Great news on he PAW front today from Keith Vinning, who alludes to further functionality with the PAW Classic unit. Could Flarm "detection" along the lines that Peter suggests (the same as the experimental Mode A, C, S detection) be one of them? Hopefully, because the whole situation of Flarm needs to be addressed in someway from a PAW perspective.
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Moff, AFAIK Zaon MRX only detects transponders, but I don't have one so may be wrong.
Peter, Lee would be the best person to respond to your question. My thought would be that it would be the same as a Mode A transponder signal (no height or position), so would have to guess or estimate range/threat. I suspect it would be easier to feed a basic Flarm units output into Pilot Aware, but that would be an extra box to buy.
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Hi Jim
from what i could read the flarm signal is so week that if Pilot aware pics it up it will be within 20 secs, so it will be a heads up, full look around, and hopefully see the glider going away from you :-)
you don't need to see the altitude or exact location (i my opinion that is) ;)
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My Zaon MRX probably saved my bacon several years ago when I could so easily have had a mid-air with a glider close to Cranfield en-route to Duxford. Finally spotted it about 200metres away at same level and on my RHS. Now I don't know whether the Zaon could detect Flarm or whether the glider was carrying a Mode C transponder, but it did alert me that something was there and it was devilishly hard to spot in the overcast conditions.
Hi again Moff,
Me likewise - I have been warned on several occasions of potential near misses since I first fitted my MRX 7 years ago, - hence why I have been doing test work for Lee on Mode 'C' / 'S' detection over the last few months to try to help get that included in PAW's arsenal. FYI the ZAON MRX detects Mode 'C' and Mode 'S' transponders ONLY - so the glider must have been transponder equipped - rare in my experience so you were very lucky.
Detection of FLARM signals by PAW would be great, but as the transmitted FLARM data is encrypted, transmitted at extremely low power and decryption is prohibited under FLARM's patents, I would be surprised if Lee could provide any meaningful information from it other than that there is a transmitter out there somewhere! I think trying to estimate range from such a low power signal would prove extremely inaccurate.
Nice thought though!
Best regards
Peter R
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Gents,
If we estimate that the glider is doing 100 Kt, and there is a max detect time of 20 secs, that give approx 500 yards warning. If anything is that close I want to know, and in that instance all I need is a forced blink on the screen, saying warning. Position in that proximity will be cleared by a mk 1 eyeball, if he is not left or right he is behind me and as I know glider pilots normally look up through the canope I'll assume he is above me and decend asafp 😄
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Actually the pi 2B is fine I have now been using this for all my dev work, there was a race issue with the networking startup which is now resolved, so I think this is un related
Ah, excellent. I might have to build another one with my Pi 2 then! :D