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Title: Flyer Live 28th-29th November - 1 day to go
Post by: Admin on November 24, 2015, 10:27:11 am
With just 4 days to Flyer Live the Forum said to me .....

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/51594261/flyerlive/PilotAware-3.jpg)

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http://www.flyerlive.co.uk/

Please come and see us at 3PM on the 28th November where we will be presenting at the Seminar Programme
Title: Re: Flyer Live 28th-29th November - 4 days to go
Post by: brinzlee on November 24, 2015, 10:31:13 am
Very Interesting..!!! You're such a tease !! I'm liking the new website too....it's just like Christmas !!
Title: Re: Flyer Live 28th-29th November - 4 days to go
Post by: exfirepro on November 24, 2015, 10:38:37 am
Looks impressive Lee!

Hope to see you on Saturday.

Peter
Title: Re: Flyer Live 28th-29th November - 4 days to go
Post by: Richard on November 24, 2015, 11:51:34 am
 I just can not stand it any more......  ??? You are relay teasing us now !!!  >:( I all ready have 100's of Q's I will be cool as we wait.... 8)
Title: Re: Flyer Live 28th-29th November - 4 days to go
Post by: IainM on November 24, 2015, 01:37:37 pm
Looks professional...  8)
Title: Re: Flyer Live 28th-29th November - 4 days to go
Post by: Rob-PA7RM on November 24, 2015, 04:34:58 pm
Nice !!
Title: Re: Flyer Live 28th-29th November - 4 days to go
Post by: Ian Melville on November 24, 2015, 07:09:17 pm
Will you have the new RF board for sale at Flyer Live?
Title: Re: Flyer Live 28th-29th November - 4 days to go
Post by: FERRYAIR on November 24, 2015, 10:49:30 pm
Having just endured my worst ever defeat in the BMAA COUNCIL ELECTIONS I am not sure whether I want to spend Liberia's Deficit going to FLYER LIVE

I am seriously considering giving it a miss this year, however I would like to wish the Pilotaware Crew a prosperous weekend just in case I don't turn up ( highly unlikely that I will turn up as I see no value in wasting £271.00 in fuel in the car & a £150.00 hotel bill

It is a reluctant decision not to attend
Title: Re: Flyer Live 28th-29th November - 4 days to go
Post by: neilmurg on November 24, 2015, 11:00:01 pm
Can't make it but, when's the new board available, looks very interesting. I look forward to hearing the testing analysis (then binning my current ARFs? boo-hoo), good job guys!
Title: Re: Flyer Live 28th-29th November - 4 days to go
Post by: ChrisBell on November 25, 2015, 02:49:36 pm
Looks good - was going to re-solder my ARF into the board this weekend - looks like I shouldn't bother
Title: Re: Flyer Live 28th-29th November - 3 days to go
Post by: Admin on November 25, 2015, 04:49:07 pm
A pretty good range

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/51594261/flyerlive/PilotAware-5.jpg)
Title: Re: Flyer Live 28th-29th November - 3 days to go
Post by: thearb on November 25, 2015, 06:12:21 pm
from the same test day 40526F and 405B19 are other pilotaware units, G-RVAH was some incidental ADS-B traffic

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ytfaivhy1jljrby/2015-11-22%2011.45.29.png?dl=0
Title: Re: Flyer Live 28th-29th November - 3 days to go
Post by: T67M on November 25, 2015, 09:02:42 pm
Very, VERY encouraging. I tried an air-to-air test at the weekend using two plastic aeroplanes with bubble canopies, both aerials vertical, but I only managed about a mile and an ARF - so disappointing (and sadly expected) that I didn't bother posting. It looks to me like the new P3I module has a range in excess of ten miles - excellent work, guys!

All of which just leaves one question... when can we order the new board? I'll take two!
Title: Re: Flyer Live 28th-29th November - 3 days to go
Post by: ChrisBell on November 26, 2015, 03:20:54 pm
Are you there Sunday as well Lee ? Cant make the Saturday
Title: Re: Flyer Live 28th-29th November - 3 days to go
Post by: ianfallon on November 26, 2015, 03:21:43 pm
Looks like I'll be there now (Sat).
Title: Re: Flyer Live 28th-29th November - 3 days to go
Post by: EricC on November 26, 2015, 04:03:06 pm
I would like to collect a new one on Sat if they are available.
Run as a base station for range testing from my location near
EGNH.
Title: Re: Flyer Live 28th-29th November - 3 days to go
Post by: thearb on November 27, 2015, 11:35:12 am
further screen shots from the Long Marston test last weekend:

improved ADS-B reception from the ground at Long Marston further to the extra shielding:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/8gx0t2xrl9ai8ql/2015-11-22%2011.54.17.png?dl=0

and a real life proximity alert on skydemon triggered on finals by the ground station ahead and to the right

https://www.dropbox.com/s/qiusubykkzieite/2015-11-22%2013.36.34.png?dl=0
Title: Re: Flyer Live 28th-29th November - 3 days to go
Post by: ianfallon on November 27, 2015, 12:34:14 pm
In my limited time testing PAWs together I have found it very random whether you get the red aeroplane symbol or just a white one.
I guess this is the Skydemon algorithm. I'm hoping they are going to release some updates to the "FLARM" traffic side of the software soon.
Title: Re: Flyer Live 28th-29th November - 1 day to go
Post by: T67M on November 27, 2015, 09:44:13 pm
My similarly limited testing with PAW/ARF and SD suggests that the alert is issued if the two aircraft are going to "cross the beams" plus-or-minus about 10 seconds of flight time. This quite effectively alerts for potential collisions without giving alerts for nearby traffic that will pass well clear ahead or behind. I was unable to get an alert when holding in a tight orbit with another aircraft - given the F***M protocol's heritage in the glider world, I wonder if this was designed to avoid false alerts for multiple gliders thermalling together.

The problem, of course, is that this presumes that both aircraft will continue more-or-less what they are doing right now - which as I regularly fly aerobatics may not be an entirely safe assumption! I would therefore like to add (or be able to choose) a simpler "proximity alert" for any aircraft within (say) a couple of miles and +/-1000 feet vertically even if the "beams" won't cross.
Title: Re: Flyer Live 28th-29th November - 1 day to go
Post by: The Westmorland Flyer on November 28, 2015, 07:27:19 pm
Great to meet so many of you at the Flyer Live show today. The PAW stand was very busy with lots of interest and the afternoon presentation to a packed "room" was excellent. Well done Lee and team.
Title: Re: Flyer Live 28th-29th November - 1 day to go
Post by: exfirepro on November 29, 2015, 09:41:52 am
Likewise - really enjoyed the visit to Flyer Live yesterday and the chance to chat to Lee and the rest of the team. Can't wait for the new radio shield to be 'CE' approved and available, but will continue testing my ADS-B unit  meantime and demonstrating the virtues of PAW to my fellow club members back up in Scotland.

Peter
Title: Re: Flyer Live 28th-29th November - 1 day to go
Post by: the_doc on November 29, 2015, 10:24:50 am
For those of us unable to attend the show, and completely in the dark about the new radio, other than the few posts and pictures on here (that are causing me to get excited already!), can the team post a statement (after the show and the dust has settled early week) to tell us mere mortals about the new board?

CE marked? Sounds exciting, sounds like you have the "golden ticket"!
Title: Re: Flyer Live 28th-29th November - 1 day to go
Post by: ianfallon on November 29, 2015, 11:59:02 am
Great show yesterday and great to meet a lot of people from here face to face.
All seats were taken for the presentation which I think went down very well.
Great work on the presentation Keith.
Title: Re: Flyer Live 28th-29th November - 1 day to go
Post by: Paul_Sengupta on November 29, 2015, 12:10:45 pm
There was quite a good show of hands when the audience was asked who had already built one!
Title: Re: Flyer Live 28th-29th November - 1 day to go
Post by: The Westmorland Flyer on November 29, 2015, 12:34:10 pm
Yes, I was quite impressed with how many hands went up. Certainly over one third of the audience. The other 2/3rds will no doubt be on board before long!
Title: Re: Flyer Live 28th-29th November - 1 day to go
Post by: IainM on November 29, 2015, 01:51:24 pm
Time for an online progress update to be posted, surely.
Title: Re: Flyer Live 28th-29th November - 1 day to go
Post by: Moffrestorer on November 29, 2015, 02:46:39 pm
I think Lee and team are up to their eyes in it at the moment until Flyer Live finishes.

I'm sure output from the very informative presentation will then be posted officially.
Title: Re: Flyer Live 28th-29th November - 1 day to go
Post by: Alan Walker on November 29, 2015, 03:17:35 pm
Wot Moffrestorer said.
Title: Re: Flyer Live 28th-29th November - 1 day to go
Post by: Aerial on November 29, 2015, 04:55:28 pm
I started early on at the PA stand where Dave kindly ran one of my 2 units up to check that it worked, at least within the constraints of poor GPS reception. Thanks Dave, appreciated.
The talk later was just great. I would think that for anyone not knowing the principles of what PA can do and cannot do would have been very enlightened. It was not at all technical (no 'how' it does what it does) and really put the project firmly as a viable proposition for GA pilots to seriously consider. There were just a few questions at the end that were most comprehensively answered so I'm certain there will be many more licenses issued in the near future!
But - I'm preaching to the already converted!
Title: Re: Flyer Live 28th-29th November - 1 day to go
Post by: Robski on November 29, 2015, 08:13:57 pm
Sounds like things went well.

Glad to hear it!
Title: Re: Flyer Live 28th-29th November - 1 day to go
Post by: ChrisBell on November 29, 2015, 08:47:39 pm
Great chance to meet people today  - Great job on the new board, Looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Flyer Live 28th-29th November - 1 day to go
Post by: Keithvinning on November 29, 2015, 09:11:46 pm
Thanks to everyone who supported us at the show. Lee Dave and I are suitably knackered but worth every minute for your support. Onwards now with the testing certification and maunufacture. Don't forget to go to pilotawarehardware.com and register your interest as this will get your email onto the system for progress reports and help us t determine the first batch size
Cheers Keith